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#51001: Feb 4th 2017 at 2:50:25 PM

I suppose the guy has to make a living out of something.

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#51002: Feb 4th 2017 at 3:08:38 PM

The thing is, he has interesting content in his videos and he has said that he dislikes clickbaity video thumbnails (admittedly, he did so in the context of talking how his face got more views than a woman's butt), so I have no idea why he does it. Maybe it just comes naturally to him. I've noticed him toning it down significantly in recent weeks.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51003: Feb 4th 2017 at 3:21:53 PM

Goku vs Superman got old ages ago, imo. It's a shame people don't put as much effort into ideas about Goku and Superman, teaming up to fight evil, than they do about trying to endlessly have them fight for flimsy reasons.

To be honest, I've mused for a while what it would look like to have... say... Superman take on Freeza in a western-comics-styled storyline, while Goku met Doomsday or something in a Dragonball-styled storyline.

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#51004: Feb 4th 2017 at 3:32:58 PM

Because Superman's OP-ness comes into play more often for the team up idea.

Also characters in Dragon Ball never work together co-op style...so maybe that idea never crossed the fans' minds.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51005: Feb 4th 2017 at 3:37:00 PM

Crossovers don't have to be cooperative - in fact, many aren't beyond a final confrontation. Likewise, Superman being incredibly powerful really isn't as important as people try to insist it is, if the objective is to make an actual story out of the universes meeting rather than just pit them together in a big fight. The reason it doesn't happen much is probably because the "ultimate showdown" mentality is so ingrained in the way people think about those two characters that even when not having them fight, it's still lingering.

The big thing lost in these ultimate showdown fixations is the fact that powerful characters are involved in plots with characters less powerful than themselves all the time without problem - because, after all, they're (usually) written by people who know what they're doing.

Western comics also have a habit of having character show unprecedented levels of power in specific moments for hsq value that aren't reflected in the rest of their series, which are taken at face value by fans who forget that the characters aren't generally written that way. It's the primary reason why, say, the "Superman's strength is literally infinite!" thing is silly if actually applied to the character.

edited 4th Feb '17 4:08:15 PM by KnownUnknown

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#51006: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:27:57 PM

I mean, there was a fic where Goku got deaged and sent to the DCAU, due to a mishap on Morgaine's part that sent Mordred to Goku's world; Goku and Clark met pretty much immediately, and had lunch together. Then Mongul came around, and Goku pretty much kicks his ass. Other fights included Darkseid, who was removed from Brainiac in this as it took place after the last episode of Unlimited, Superman, in a friendly bout that got interrupted once Morgaine came to them for help in getting her son back, and a mishmash fusion of Doomsday and Broly; Goku gets turned back into an adult by Morgaine, and Goku and Superman team up to fight it, Superman's full power being equal to Goku's Super Saiyan 3 form, though slightly outclassed by the Dragon Fist move.

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#51007: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:35:52 PM

The reason that Superman's strength always comes up in even team up situations is that generally speaking, the people who talk about it the most tend to not have moved beyond the mentality of Strongest = Coolest that made Broly so popular.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#51008: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:37:44 PM

I don't know. I usually see stuff like that brought as a reason for Superman being boring. But maybe that's mostly from the types who tend to be obsessed with BadassNormals and who need to stroke off Batman constantly.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#51009: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:44:07 PM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#51010: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:44:34 PM

A character really cant be interesting unless they have limits and/or some kind of weakness, without those you get the dreaded Mary Sue.

For Superman he has no limits and its a dumb rare rock respectively, if you are to make an interesting story that rock needs to be absolutely everywhere.

For Goku he has limits, his enemies have higher limits, and is always working to surpass them. And his intellect and occasionally screwed up morals are his weaknesses. Super uses them all pretty well but almost too much on the Book Dumb aspects.

edited 4th Feb '17 4:45:21 PM by Memers

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#51011: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:46:11 PM

I think the real reason Superman tends to be boring is because the people who write him don't really get the character, and think much like adolescent boys - they think only of how strong Superman is instead of what his motivations, feelings and ideas are.

Superman could take over the world and eliminate crime forever. He could create a society where everyone is treated equally, where he as supreme and absolute ruler is unquestioned and undisputed. He could rearrange the world to be any which way he pleases. The idea is that he's struggling with the thought of whether he should do that. He struggles with how much he should do, rather than how much he can do. How much is protecting humanity and how much is smothering humanity.

He is a boring character if all you can think about is punching villains. Especially because the shared universe means there's ultimately a cap on how much things can escalate.

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#51012: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:49:30 PM

n/a

edited 4th Feb '17 4:49:49 PM by Soble

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#51013: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:50:41 PM

Superman has physical limits. He can and has been beaten beaten in a physical fight by a strong enough opponent or been incapacitated by physical challenges - but there's also the personal and moral/social limitations and conflicts that tend to dominate his personal stories and mythos. Again, he's generally written by people who know what they're doing and have experience dealing with an extremely powerful protagonist. The idea that he can't be interesting because he's very powerful is, creatively speaking, ridiculous: it's not like physical abilities are the only traits important to any of these characters' characterizations or the way they're written.

The idea that he's too powerful to be anything but boring, and generally the idea that he's boring comes from people who don't bother to get acquainted with the character. The same kind of people who look at DBZ and say "all they do is scream and spam energy beams and suddenly get powerful enough to win in the end" without bothering to actually watch it.

Though as noted, he's not always written by people who get the character. Sometimes writers focus more on his abilities than his personality, or exaggerate aspects of his character such that they forget how what actually makes him work as a character functions. But it's the same kind of mentality that led to GT - it's not something that's unique to him, it's something that occurs because of the people writing him.

He is a boring character if all you can think about is punching villains.

This.

edited 4th Feb '17 4:59:20 PM by KnownUnknown

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#51014: Feb 4th 2017 at 4:56:02 PM

So what are we going to call that new power-up in the intro? I'm going with Super Kaioken.

This song needs more love.
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#51015: Feb 4th 2017 at 5:02:14 PM

Wait, what new power-up?

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#51016: Feb 4th 2017 at 5:03:27 PM

I actually don't think that was a "new" transformation. Looked like the bald guy's red energy. Also, Beerus was about to delete Goku. Goku doesn't seem to realize that there's a reason people fear Zeno as much as they do.

Also, new opening is waaaaaaaaaay better than the old one. In my opinion. Much more catchier tune, more action in it.

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#51017: Feb 4th 2017 at 5:05:20 PM

[up]It definitely looks like it's emanating from Goku. If nothing else, he's fighting in base now.

Here is the new opening.

edited 4th Feb '17 5:07:10 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
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#51018: Feb 4th 2017 at 5:15:26 PM

That cool ki control trick Goku did with the separating ball was neat. I wonder if that's a sign that he's working on finesse.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#51019: Feb 4th 2017 at 5:23:29 PM

Now that is an intro. [tup]

So what are we going to call that new power-up in the intro? I'm going with Super Kaioken

Super Kaioken Red.

Though if I were to guess it's actually just "Super Saiyan God (Suppressed)."

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#51020: Feb 4th 2017 at 5:35:19 PM

Did he go full super saiyan god there? I mean red aura then back to black hair which seemed to be better than Blue... odd.

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#51021: Feb 4th 2017 at 5:53:06 PM

Lets go over the quick glimpses of the Gods of Destruction, from left to right.

I guess that tiny yellow God was a mouse God of Destruction.

The clown God we've seen before.

Cleopatra we've seen before.

New fish guy God.

Robot God we've seen before.

Jackal/Fox God we've seen before, though it's still hard to tell which he is.

No idea who or what the next guy is, though he kind of looks like the clown God's counterpart.

Elephant God we've seen before.

Fluffball God we've seen before.

Champa we've seen before.

Ganondwarf we've seen before.

Beerus we've seen before.

That's all 12 Gods of Destruction.

As an aside, am I crazy, or is Zamasu in the intro, standing in the back, right in-between Champa and Beerus?

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#51022: Feb 4th 2017 at 6:24:15 PM

The most important things about this episode were Goku acting like an actual farmer by selling crops, and him driving

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#51024: Feb 4th 2017 at 6:55:11 PM

Did anyone else notice how the cloaked figure has a completely different build in the next episode preview?

This song needs more love.
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#51025: Feb 4th 2017 at 7:45:03 PM

Very curious. Also, at all points in the future, remember that any hardship, pain, and loss suffered in this tournament or because of this tournament is 100% Goku's fault.


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