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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#50826: Feb 2nd 2017 at 3:14:13 PM

PLEASE. I want an episode about Krillin, 18, and Marron having dinner with 17 and 17's wife and children.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50827: Feb 2nd 2017 at 5:16:15 PM

So, I'm watching a video about how Tien is gonna impact the tournament. It dawns on me that he's busted out some crazy out techniques:

  • The Four Witches technique (extra arms);

  • The Multi-form (though it was rendered useless by Goku, and it actually weakens him significantly)

  • The mother fuckiner Kikohou / Tri-Beam (How'd that feel Cell? How did that feel?)

  • And one of the most useful techniques in the whole series: the Taiyoken / Solar Flare.

Anyway, the real point of my post is to ask what we all think Roshi, Tien and Krillin will do as a part of the Universe 7 team? I mean, we know Goku and Vegeta will probably do a good bulk of the work, but since they went to the trouble of including those three, I'm hoping they have some real plans for them besides they are instantly defeated to show how powerful the other guys are so that Goku can then do everything.

I'm hoping Tien busts out some even crazier techniques, or even tries mixing and matching for potentially greater effects (if such a thing is possible).

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50828: Feb 2nd 2017 at 5:39:15 PM

You know, I wish we would have seen Granndapa Gohan again. Him meeting Goku's family would be heartwarming.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#50829: Feb 2nd 2017 at 5:50:55 PM

Four Witches: Goku countered it by just punching faster. Okay, so he used a technique that King Chappa used but it's basically just punching faster. Worthless.

Multiform: Worthless. If one Ten can't defeat the enemy, four Tens will do even worse.

Shin Kikouhou: It didn't actually hurt Cell. It pushed him back, sure, but it just annoyed him. It also almost killed Tenshinhan.

As for Roshi and Krillin, I have no idea what Roshi could possibly do but Krillin is the strongest humans and also the ninth strongest mortal in his universe. While the gap between him and even the eighth strongest (Lazuli) is impossibly large, that should be worth something at least.

edited 2nd Feb '17 5:53:21 PM by Zelenal

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50831: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:16:06 PM

[up][up] The point to bringing those up wasn't to say that Tien's techniques were unbeatable, but to suggest that Tien has a habit of coming up with techniques that are atypical and strange, at least for the point in the series they were introduced.

The idea he's saying, as far as I can tell, is that it's possible Tien's niche could be "the guy who comes up with weird moves."

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#50832: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:18:42 PM

And while multiarms was beat by punching faster, what's to stop you from learning how to punch faster while you have multiarms?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#50833: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:21:20 PM

Admittedly, seeing Tien fight could be interesting just for the weird and possibly dumb techniques he could bust out.

Also now wondering if you can use the multi arms technique to increase the amount of any part of our bodies...

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#50834: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:22:36 PM

Multiarms let you punch and Solar Flare at the same time. tongue

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#50835: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:26:03 PM

What would happen if Piccolo used the multibody technique and then tried to use the Namekian Fusion technique on his offshoots?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#50836: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:26:53 PM

Probably nothing.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#50837: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:27:55 PM

His lifespan starts dwindling due to STAMINA DRAIN TM and he poofs out of existance in 45 minutes.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50838: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:28:52 PM

As for the humans in general, I expect there to be at least one match in the tournament where the Saiyans and Piccolo can't fight for some reason or another and the humans (with or without 17 and 18) have to carry the team.

edited 2nd Feb '17 6:32:49 PM by KnownUnknown

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50839: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:32:48 PM

Yes exactly.

Tien's got some some weird shit in his bag of tricks. If he really, and I mean really got creative, while he'd never be as strong as the other character, he could just baffle people with the sheer level of WHAT THE FUCK!? he can bring to the table.

Picture this:

Multiform Four Witches, with one of them doing the Dodon wave, Kienzan and Sokidan in at the same time, while using the last hand to direct the later two (note that all of those can be done with one hand).

Another doing the Kikohou with both of his extra hands to pin someone down.

Another using the Solar Flare to blind a dude so that he can more easily get caught in the other two techniques.

...I'm not sure what the last one could do, but I'm sure there's some crazy shit he could bust out.

Tien has piles of potential, and the tournament format means he could be allowed to really go balls out. This is a guy who's also spent a lot of time fighting against dudes far stronger than him, just like Krillin. At one point, it seems like (at least in the anime) all he did in his spare time was train. He must have started thinking of ways to deal with enemies stronger than him...

OH WAIT! MAFUUBA! He can do the Mafuuba. If all else fails, the last one can Mafuuba an enemy into a jar and then just keep him there until the count is done.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#50840: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:43:27 PM

Multiform Four Witches, with one of them doing the Dodon wave, Kienzan and Sokidan in at the same time, while using the last hand to direct the later two (note that all of those can be done with one hand).

With the possible exception of the Kienzan, that would do absolutely nothing. If he split himself into four, that means that each one of his copies has 1/4th the power that he does. If Tenshinhan on his own without Multiform cannot defeat the enemy, the Multiform will never let him pull it off. The Multiform technique is 100% useless for combat.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#50841: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:46:26 PM

It's not 100% useless in every combat situation. I think it might actually be a hard counter to Weak, but Skilled enemies. It's never really the case in Dragon Ball, but it could work.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50842: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:48:33 PM

[up][up] Unless, of course, Toriyama writes it so that it isn't. There's nothing to keep him from, say, establishing that Tien has been training to overcome that handicap.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50843: Feb 2nd 2017 at 6:57:11 PM

Exactly. What is and isn't useless is decided entirely by the writer. Since he's putting them in the tournament, he's going to give a reason for how they can do something.

As for the other techniques being useless, you do have a point, but the Dodon wave and the Sokidan can act as distractions for the Kienzan (which most people don't recognize the full danger of anyway)

The bat away the wave. They bat away the ball. They try to bat away the disk, and OH GOD! OH GOD! MY ARM!!!!

I'm just spitballing here.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#50844: Feb 2nd 2017 at 7:02:22 PM

[up][up][up] That'd never be the case because becoming a master martial artist was something that was accomplished ages ago. When it comes to skill, I highly doubt any of the characters could get any better. Even ignoring that, Weak, but Skilled can't be a thing in DB because, if the fighter is too weak, their attack does absolutely no damage. Which, by the by, is one of reasons my Multiform is completely useless in DB.

Compare and contrast the Multiform Technique with the Shadow Clone Jutsu. They're both basically the same technique but, due to the setting it appears in, one is absolutely worthless while the other is infinitely useful.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50845: Feb 2nd 2017 at 7:07:04 PM

Eh, Shadow Clones are only really useful for Naruto. He's basically the only person who make use of them without getting exhausted.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50846: Feb 2nd 2017 at 7:11:30 PM

You know why every enemy post Freeza could regenerate?

Because it turns out being Weak, but Skilled in Dragon Ball can actually work since, y'know, the Kienzan is a one hit kill unless you can regenerate, regardless of how powerful the enemy is.

Also there have been instances of weaker opponents hurting significantly stronger ones. Cell managed to wound Gohan pretty severely somehow, even though he wasn't doing any damage to a weaker Gohan.

[up][up]Not even close to the same technique in functionality, though.

The Shadow clone does divide your chakra equally between the clones, yeah, but that's only taking your stamina away. It is not Dragon Ball, where halving your Ki halves how hard you can punch. It is based on the setting, yeah - the way powers work in Naruto means they are independant of how much chakra you actually have beyond being able to fuel them.

edited 2nd Feb '17 7:14:22 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50847: Feb 2nd 2017 at 7:17:20 PM

That'd never be the case because becoming a master martial artist was something that was accomplished ages ago. When it comes to skill, I highly doubt any of the characters could get any better. Even ignoring that, Weak, but Skilled can't be a thing in DB because, if the fighter is too weak, their attack does absolutely no damage. Which, by the by, is one of reasons my Multiform is completely useless in DB.

See, one of the reasons I'm tossing out ideas here is to combat that.

The Kienzan has the potential to work around the way attacks can't do any damage. Yes, as a direct combat technique, the Multiform is totally useless, but I'm talking about finding other ways to use it.

Using the Multiform and Four Witches technique to create a Kienzan in each arm (for a grand total of 16 each) to fill the sky with the damned things (while using the same principle behind the Sokidan to control their direction).

Toss in a Solar Flare to blind the enemy to make it even harder to dodge as well. I'm sure there are ways to make this work. I know some have argued that there's no proof that the Kienzan could actually defeat stronger foes, and this is true, but maybe where one would fail, multiple ones would succeed.

...I think I had more suggestions, but I'm blanking on them right now.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50848: Feb 2nd 2017 at 7:21:46 PM

It would be super easy to handwave a reason for the multi-form being useful. They've even done it before, in that filler scene where Cell used it against Goku.

Tien: No way! Splitting your body four ways like that would normally decrease your total strength by at least half!

Yamcha: Strength hasn't even changed. He's got the same power level as when he was one dude.

Tien: Yeah. I hate to admit this but Cell's mastered that trick far better than I ever could.

All you have to do is say that Tien figured out how to make it work better while training for the tournament and voila.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50850: Feb 2nd 2017 at 7:26:10 PM

Filler isn't necessarily bad but that is. There's no real justification for why Cell's power didn't get halved it just didn't.

edited 2nd Feb '17 7:26:46 PM by LSBK


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