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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#50776: Feb 1st 2017 at 1:38:47 PM

Oh, when people try to use it to actually deflect other criticism, it's stupid. But it goes both ways. I accept why people don't like Zamasu. But I also accept I still actually like him despite the arguments criticising him.

Like, you can't just generalise and say "people only like this because X" and "people only hate this because X". It denies the other side a voice.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#50777: Feb 1st 2017 at 1:43:48 PM

....That's nowhere near what anybody was doing though? I don't recall anyone trying to downplay anyone who's a fan of Zamasu.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#50778: Feb 1st 2017 at 1:46:23 PM

Just making sure. Bringing up Parody Retcon and saying people are in denial can kind of imply that.

Edit: I've also never heard people say Super Saiyan 4 is parody before. That transformation was played pretty straight in GT itself.

edited 1st Feb '17 2:04:47 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50779: Feb 1st 2017 at 1:59:19 PM

That kind of ignores when that is the case as with the whole tangent about Zamasu a few pages ago. Someone said they hated him and then others jump in with what's basically "Well of course you're supposed to hate him silly" which kind of misses the point and deflects the criticism as it is.

While you're talking about ignoring and deflecting criticism, there are worse things to do. Some people flat out lie and misrepresent others intentionally to make their argument have some standing.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#50780: Feb 1st 2017 at 2:39:42 PM

I don't know why you're being coy, if you wanted to call me out, just say so. But what did I lie about IANCE.

edited 1st Feb '17 2:40:15 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50781: Feb 1st 2017 at 2:43:29 PM

I mean, I still like Naruto as a whole just cause I like it; same with the Star Wars prequels.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50782: Feb 1st 2017 at 2:44:30 PM

[up][up]If you feel guilty, that's up to you.

I'm just saying that's a thing that people do. A lot.

[up]Now now, there's a lot of good stuff to like in both of those.

There's just also a lot of stupid to go along with it, but just because a lot of stupid exists, doesn't mean the good things aren't there.

edited 1st Feb '17 2:45:36 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#50783: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:01:59 PM

You specifically quoted me and brought up a point how people lie to further their own arguments. You were either talking about me, or I'm reading too much into your words. If so, then I apologize but who were you referring to with that statement because I wanna set things straight.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50784: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:07:50 PM

Dude, I'm saying that it's a thing that people do as in it's a thing that people do.

It should be especially obvious right now since the Grand Trump Shitstorm began.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#50785: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:29:16 PM

See I thought that was aimed at me.

But now that Trump has come up, it's time to deflect by reflecting on how Hilarious and/or Harsher In Hindsight this is:

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#50786: Feb 1st 2017 at 5:18:39 PM

But I also accept I still actually like him despite the arguments criticising him.

I have no problem with people liking Zamasu. There's nothing wrong with liking his character either. Some people think the Black arc was the best Dragon Ball arc ever. And while I highly disagree with that, I'm not going to lose my composure over someone thinking that. It's all just personal preferences, is all. Not everything has to be an argument....

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50787: Feb 1st 2017 at 5:21:37 PM

[up]

And that's how you defeat the internet my friend.

Stay classy.

Edit: Once again, I'm still watching the Piccolo Jr. arc.

You know, I re-call a debate on Piccolo's giant form way back in the story, and how useless it was, but I'm not sure if I really believe that. True, Goku managed to outfox him, but it was made clear Piccolo lost no speed using the technique. More to the point, if he keeps the same speed alongside longer reach, then combined with a some good old fashioned flash stepping, it would still be pretty dangerous.

Now obviously, it's only good when up against someone who's power is close to his own, but strategically used, it could be quite useful.

edited 1st Feb '17 5:33:19 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50788: Feb 1st 2017 at 5:40:13 PM

Dude, the man can stretch, extra reach is useless to him. Going big just makes him a bigger target. Also drains stamina like a bitch. Used to be broken tho.

edited 1st Feb '17 5:40:54 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50789: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:01:47 PM

In my experience, when people accuse others of misrepresenting/strawmaning them in internet arguments it's usually just the other person misunderstanding due to the post not being clear enough, and bad faith being assumed when it's not necessary.

edited 1st Feb '17 6:02:31 PM by Moth13

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50790: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:03:23 PM

That bigger target logic is bull pucky, every attack should be less effective by default due to size increase durability. Same goes for his own attacks.

Stamina drain is legit.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50791: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:18:32 PM

If he is bigger but just as dense, then he's more fragile, not more durable.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50792: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:22:02 PM

Not in anime world.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50793: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:22:53 PM

Honestly, if it ain't an issue for Oozaru, why is it an issue for giant piccolo.

Pretty much everything thrown at Oozaru's was massively insignificant, and giant Piccolo would have all that plus actual reason.

I can buy the stamina drain though, although the current piccolo might not have much of an issue with it.

One Strip! One Strip!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50794: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:31:04 PM

Incidentally, you all missed the point - I was making a Xenoverse 2 joke, where the Giant Namekian transformation used to be broken as shit until they nerfed it.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#50795: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:32:29 PM

So the developers went too far and now you can only be transformed for like eight seconds? Okay, now I understand what you're getting at.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50796: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:36:02 PM

[up][up]

Don't make jokes I don't understand damn you!

One Strip! One Strip!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50797: Feb 1st 2017 at 6:49:14 PM

Modern DBZ games are out of the reach of Randomness...

Joke fly over head.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#50798: Feb 1st 2017 at 7:31:28 PM

Talk of Xenoverse reminds me of one of my favorite throwaway NPC lines from Xenoverse 1. Where a character in Tokitoki city, in order to explain the viability of one of the playable races, basically just says "Hey have you seen the new warrior caste that New Namek has trained up? They're as strong as Saiyans now!"

It just amuses me how you can just have the story bridge that gap in one line of dialogue if that's what you want to do.

edited 1st Feb '17 7:32:13 PM by Enlong

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#50799: Feb 1st 2017 at 7:44:53 PM

"Humans are strong now because Gohan published a book with a really uncreative name!"

Stuff like that.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#50800: Feb 1st 2017 at 8:25:22 PM

Speaking of durability and density, that reminds me of the Antman movie where they grew the Thomas the Tank Engine toy to the size of a real train.....if that actually happened with realistic physics, that toy should've floated away like a balloon because its mass stayed the same, but its volume significantly increased.


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