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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50476: Jan 26th 2017 at 7:38:04 PM

...dude, do you want there to be Saiyans in every universe, even the ones that don't share a connection to Universe 7 at all?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50477: Jan 26th 2017 at 7:38:36 PM

Universe 6 and 7 are supposed to be parallels to one another, and are the ones most alike. So, yeah, it's very possible they're the only ones where Saiyans exist. Or not.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50478: Jan 26th 2017 at 7:39:32 PM

As a fan who's only watched the anime and hasn't fully read the manga, I clearly know more about the series then him so my idea is totally right.

Well there is more content in the anime than the manga. The math adds up.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50479: Jan 26th 2017 at 8:44:33 PM

7 and 6, 5 and 8, 4 and 9, 3 and 10, 2 and 11, 1 and 12 are the "paired" or "twin" universes. The universes in each pair are mirrors of each other, and have the most in common, with some differences.

So if 7 and 6 aren't the only universes with Saiyans I will, in fact, be mad as hell.

edited 26th Jan '17 8:44:54 PM by unnoun

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#50480: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:17:13 PM

I still don't get how the universe-pairing is supposed to work if there were previously six or so more universes. They all pair as sums of 13, like opposite sides of a die adding up to 7.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#50481: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:23:09 PM

0/13, -1/14 and -2/15 were destroyed, obviously.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#50482: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:29:04 PM

They probably just changed the numbering system after that. Convenient that Zeno still left them with 6 equal pairs.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50483: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:29:38 PM

Obviously they just renumbered the universes after Zeno destroyed the other ones.

They just got lucky he destroyed matching ones, otherwise the entire system gets messed up.

[nja]'d.

edited 26th Jan '17 9:30:45 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50484: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:38:46 PM

Right.

New thought. All the movie villains are from the universes that Zen-O destroyed.

Yeah, this one is even dumber then my last one, and I'm big enough to admit it.

One Strip! One Strip!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50485: Jan 26th 2017 at 9:42:06 PM

UNIVERSES IN DRAGON BALL DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

You're thinking of alternate timelines, which are a different thing!

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#50486: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:00:56 PM

They could work that way. Who knows? Maybe universe -1 was the movie universe. Maybe Supreme Kai -1 was really into his or her universe 7 fanfiction in a creepy, cosmic way.

edited 26th Jan '17 10:01:32 PM by Zeromaeus

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50487: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:06:01 PM

[up][up]

Well, yeah. I totally am. I fully admitted it was a dumb idea.

And now, having succeeding in annoying everyone, I'm going to take my leave.

MWA HA HA HA!!!

I do legitimately wish Toriyama would bring back Tails however. There's still a lot to explore with them in regards to how they interact with the Super Saiyan power. Super Saiyan 4 is one interpretation, but I'm curious as to how the Bird-Man himself would handle it. T'is a shame he's not interested in trying.

One Strip! One Strip!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#50488: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:06:11 PM

Maybe the six universes Zeno destroyed were his fanfic universes that he just one day grew bored of.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50489: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:56:58 PM

There was a cowboy universe matched with a mobster universe, a Roman universe matched with a a Viking universe, a pirate universe and a ninja universe.

Realizing that these universe hit all the Planet of Hats stereotypes, Zeno promptly destroyed them upon seeing that they were considerably less interesting than TV made them look.

edited 26th Jan '17 10:57:08 PM by KnownUnknown

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#50490: Jan 26th 2017 at 10:57:49 PM

wild mass guessThere's a timeline where Zeno didn't destroy Universes 13-18, and this will be important somehow to the next or following saga.wild mass guess tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50491: Jan 26th 2017 at 11:04:14 PM

I wonder if Super will be able to get back to smaller scale after an arc of this magnitude. I'm not the kind of person who thinks a series has to keep escalating, or buys into the idea that a smaller scale story can't work just as well (if not better) if coming on the heels of a bigger one, but they're rapidly approaching apocalyptic event horizon here.

I guess it wouldn't be the first time the series eased back in terms of scope, to great success. Overall, the Androids and Cell were of a less grand scale than the adventure on Namek by quite a bit - Cell poses a bigger threat than Freeza due to being far more powerful, but never took the scope of the plot off of Earth, nor did he ultimately have the clout in the wider universe Freeza and Buu did. In fact, him keeping things as low-key as possible until he was powerful enough to do whatever he wanted was a plot point, as was 17 and 18 not being interested in anything bigger than chasing down one guy in a truck.

I guess it's more that I worry they're escalating bigger and bigger concepts and stakes before the characters can really get acclimated to the level they already have.

edited 26th Jan '17 11:05:45 PM by KnownUnknown

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#50492: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:27:02 AM

Well I mean we went from Beerus to Freeza, who was weaker and posed less of a threat because destroying the Earth was easily reversed. Then we went from Freeza to Universe 6, which openly had no stakes that couldn't just be fixed afterward.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50493: Jan 27th 2017 at 12:40:05 AM

I was thinking more in terms of scope and scale than stakes, but that's true.

edited 27th Jan '17 12:40:21 AM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50494: Jan 27th 2017 at 4:53:30 AM

Of course it can, and doing so isn't difficult. Hell, we went from Zamasu threatening to destroy mortal life in Future Trunks' multiverse to Goku and Vegeta vs. Areal , and the Great Saiyaman stuff.

Oh, and that Copy Vegeta Arc.

edited 27th Jan '17 4:55:30 AM by VeryMelon

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#50495: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:17:36 AM

I'm pretty sure he's referring to "canon" arcs and not the padded two parters in between major arcs.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50496: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:29:56 AM

Still wonder why Zamasu didn't wish to get Zeno's body.

Like, his plan of wiping out all mortals in every universe in every timeline sorta inevitably ends up running into a brick wall named Zeno at some point.

Also. Did Zeno leave the lesser Kais alone? Because I know he went after the other Supreme Kais, to get the Gods of Destruction and their Angels out of the way, but his actual beef was the mortals. The other gods were more of an obstacle than his actual target.

edited 27th Jan '17 9:36:24 AM by unnoun

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#50497: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:35:18 AM

[up] Zeno is so powerful that not even Super Dragon Balls have an effect on Him?

It would make sense, being the Living Tribunal equivalent for the Dragon Ball Multiverse now.

Watch Symphogear
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#50498: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:37:21 AM

I'm guessing that even Super Shenron can't affect Zen'O. The guy's pretty much omnipotent as far as we've seen.

Edit:[nja]d

edited 27th Jan '17 9:37:54 AM by DarkHunter

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50499: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:38:49 AM

The Super Dragon Balls are supposed to be able to grant any wish with no restrictions though.

And given there's a Zeno for each timeline, as opposed to one Zeno for all timelines, I feel like he's not as big of a top dog as he could be. Still subservient to Toribot and Toeibot.

And, like. Goku had to call Zeno for him to know Zamasu was doing anything. So he's not omniscient.

Like, I feel if Zeno felt Super Shenron doing things to him, Zeno could kill Super Shenron and stop it. But Super Shenron's wishes aren't a power thing, they're a "can grant one wish no matter what it is" thing.

...Dammit I ship it too.

edited 27th Jan '17 9:41:59 AM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50500: Jan 27th 2017 at 9:44:48 AM

Zenou can very much be the toppest of dogs even though there isn't only one of him. That's what makes creating new timelines so bad - even Zenou gets duplicated.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

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