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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#50451: Jan 26th 2017 at 12:08:39 PM

...[up][up][up] That actually makes a lot of sense....

Ya know, given how Saiyan biology works, it makes you wonder how human women are able to even survive the birth.

edited 26th Jan '17 12:09:58 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#50452: Jan 26th 2017 at 12:34:26 PM

By being awesome.tongue

So it just occurred to me:

Combine Solar Flare, Kienzan, and either Multiform (so you can attack from all sides) or Instant Transmission (in order to make it harder for the enemy to find you location) and you got a pretty broken combo.

Or hell, do all 4. Solar Flare to blind an enemy, Multiform to create a clone, while you Instant Transmission away to another position (maybe over the enemies head, or even create two clones and have the second one do that) and then have them both launch Kienzans from different positions.

It's especially useful if your enemy can't sense Ki (so that if both clones are killed, the real one can be hiding somewhere safe because then the opponent will assume they escaped and try and chase them).

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#50453: Jan 26th 2017 at 12:40:31 PM

You know, it strikes me that people shouldn't fall for Solar Flare as easily as they do. For one they can fight without seeing their opponents, and the flash can't be that painful if sunglasses are enough to fully block it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#50454: Jan 26th 2017 at 12:43:33 PM

...

You got a point. Fair enough, it's only really useful if the enemy can't sense Ki (which most of the cast and quite a few enemies are very capable of doing).

Well, so much for that.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#50455: Jan 26th 2017 at 12:47:12 PM

I mean, it worked on Black and Zamasu didn't it?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#50456: Jan 26th 2017 at 12:58:08 PM

Yes.

I'm annoyed Toei didn't think of that, even if I like the humans managing to save Goku and company.

As for Black and Zamasu falling for it, they'd never seen it before. I imagine that's one of it's biggest flaws (outside of the ki sensing thing).

If you don't know it's coming, it's extremely potent (as it's own originator has fallen for it) but once you know about it, it's incredibly easy to counter, which is why anyone who has it should be learning techniques to let them take out enemies very quickly afterwards so they can take full advantage of it.

Tien himself is mostly capable of the combo I just mentioned.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#50457: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:02:13 PM

Wasn't it tear gas or something?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#50458: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:03:16 PM

Solar Flare is mostly a stunning move...it gives instant advantage until the opponent adapt.

[up]Something similar to that.

edited 26th Jan '17 1:03:54 PM by randomness4

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50459: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:04:36 PM

It's tear gas in the anime and solar flare in the manga.

Anyway, I assume even if you can sense Ki it still hurts your eyes pretty bad, so you wouldn't be on top of your game.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#50460: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:35:05 PM

I mean, the Solar Flare is probably the equivalent of looking at the Sun for several minutes straight, condensed into one bright flash that lasts for a few seconds.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#50461: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:41:04 PM

Uh, that should mean some people can resist the effect.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#50462: Jan 26th 2017 at 1:50:04 PM

I'm just going to ignore the tear gas BS, since it didn't happen in the manga.

We're talking about two guys who managed to kill off all of the Gods of Destruction, render their angels inert, kill off all of the Kais...and they're stumped and forced to retreat by a chemical mixture.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50463: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:03:53 PM

I mean, Goku was still capable of being knocked out by a nerve toxin, and let's not forget the ring laser...

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#50464: Jan 26th 2017 at 2:32:49 PM

[up]

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
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#50465: Jan 26th 2017 at 3:46:48 PM

Goku died to a heart virus, I have no problem with tear gas affecting gods, though it probably should've been tear gas combined with a flash grenade.

Also, I reject your case for Saiyans naturally being born earlier on the grounds that Goten being a preemie birth is better Fanfic Fuel.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#50466: Jan 26th 2017 at 4:28:40 PM

It's worth noting that Saiyan babies are sent to destroy planets. If the expectation is that Saiyan babies are more independent at birth. Like, for human babies to be more independent at birth than they are they would have to gestate longer.

On the other hand, in Minus we mainly see Saiyan babies in those incubator pods, so. Maybe they aren't actually independent at "birth" and are born naturally underdeveloped/at` the same development level as human infants and they're kept in pods to grow them more.

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#50467: Jan 26th 2017 at 6:13:20 PM

To be fair, Saiyan infants are expected to do what they do as an Oozaru which are, ya know, giant, rampaging monkeys of death. Not sure how they would feed themselves since nothing we saw indicated that Goku could walk when he first landed but hey.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#50468: Jan 26th 2017 at 6:20:10 PM

Minus indicated that he, in fact, could walk around.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#50469: Jan 26th 2017 at 6:42:28 PM

So I just had a theory on the Legendary Super Saiyan form:

It can only be achieved by a Saiyan who still has their tail when they become Super Saiyan.

Think about it: It's causes you to go completely out of control and become an unstoppable killing machine...well, what does a saiyan who still has their tail do when they transform into an Oozaru?

What do you guys think? Remember, it's just a theory, so I'm not expecting it to be made canon, but I still want to hear all your thoughts.

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#50470: Jan 26th 2017 at 6:47:44 PM

Out of all the retcons, that one made the more sense.

[up] Elite Saiyans don't lose control of their Oozaru form. Also, Broly can go Super Saiyan 4, so, probably not the best theory.

edited 26th Jan '17 6:49:55 PM by Tomodachi

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#50471: Jan 26th 2017 at 6:53:50 PM

Broli didn't lose his tail...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#50472: Jan 26th 2017 at 7:19:51 PM

Eh. Super Saiyan 4 is alternate continuity anyway.

True, so is Broly, but I still like this idea.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#50473: Jan 26th 2017 at 7:33:08 PM

But the Saiyans from Universe 6 don't have tails.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#50474: Jan 26th 2017 at 7:36:23 PM

Well fuck those guys.

...That is to say, how do we know she's from universe 6?

I mean, there are 13 universe. 6 and 7 can't be the only ones with Saiyans now can they?

Plus, getting rid of the tails is a dumb move, and Toriyama shouldn't have done it.

As a fan who's only watched the anime and hasn't fully read the manga, I clearly know more about the series then him so my idea is totally right.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#50475: Jan 26th 2017 at 7:37:46 PM

Getting rid tails streamlined tactic.

Necessary.

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