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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#50026: Jan 20th 2017 at 4:35:53 PM

Dude, don't make me use that Goku/Superman/Optimus Prime fusion thing I found, especially since Super Saiyan Blue plus God of Strength/Prime 1,000,000 plus the Star Sword and the Matrix of Leadership, is kind of OP.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#50027: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:09:01 AM

So... there's two things that bug me about Battle of Gods, or maybe just the dub. Mitigated by this video of the voice actors making funny faces while screaming their lines.

    BOG Voice Actor Battle 

  • Beerus criticizes Goku for having too much pride and suggests that Vegeta is actually superior to him in this regard for not holding onto it. The f'ck? Goku even sets Beerus straight about this during the scene in the cave, pointing out that Beerus has it completely backwards. The only times we saw Goku really show any excessive pride was against... when has he ever done that?
  • He also claims that it's rare for Saiyans to be consumed with that flaw. The double f'ck? Literally every Saiyan we've met has had shown some kind of arrogance. Except Tarble, an anomaly who was quickly erased from existence, and Cabba, who is from an alternate universe where the Saiyans are do-gooders instead of pirates - which, depending on the outcome of this tournament, is a universe that might also be erased from existence.
  • This happened more in the movies but... it's kind of weird that Goku is "abandoning his pride" by borrowing power from others when we've seen him absorb energy from others to defeat... let's see...
    • Turles. Vegeta. Freeza. Lord Slug. Super Android 13. Broly. Kid Buu.
    • That this is even an issue for Goku is kind of weird - I mean, he was the one trying to convince Vegeta that the Potara's were the only way to beat Buu, He flat-out admitted he couldn't beat Cell and tapped Gohan in.

edited 21st Jan '17 7:59:21 AM by Soble

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#50028: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:22:13 AM

His interactions with Saiyans til that point doesn't give him that impression. Both Vegeta and his father were willing to cast away their pride in front of him. Goku, on the other hand, challenged him, knowing he was the God of Destruction.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50029: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:37:48 AM

Literally every Saiyan we've met has had shown some kind of arrogance. Except Tarble, an anomaly who was quickly erased from existence

Which I hate. I liked Tarble, even if his appearance kinda came out of nowhere. Yeah, he's not in the manga, but his existence doesn't contradict anything (I can see Vegeta not thinking to mention him because he thought he was dead like the rest of their people).

But what can you do? He's gone now.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50030: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:46:16 AM

I think the point here is that Beerus misunderstood Goku's gigantic brass balls for excessive pride and arrogance.

Goku does have pride, and in fact, does not like having to rely on others for victory, but he will if he must.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#50031: Jan 21st 2017 at 8:46:35 AM

Yeah, Vegeta and his dad weren't casting away their pride, they were just scared shitless. For all of Vegeta ramblings about pride, he's a big pussy who breaks down like house of cards when he realizes he's outmatched. Goku has no problem admitting that someone is stronger than him. It makes him happy that such people exist. He will also accept other people help if there's more riding on the fight than his enjoyment.

edited 21st Jan '17 9:17:42 AM by Shlugo_the_great

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50032: Jan 21st 2017 at 8:55:47 AM

Just because they were casting away their pride out of fear doesn't mean that they weren't casting away their pride.

Hell, Vegeta is still casting away his pride out of fear in front of Beerus.

Fun fact: Goku is not courageous at all. A fun thing to remember is that Goku can't be courageous because Goku is fearless. He can't be scared, so he can't be courageous either.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50033: Jan 21st 2017 at 8:59:32 AM

He was pretty scared of Frieza.

Such a thing might have been true when he was younger (and didn't know to be scared of certain things, like guns or ENTIRE FUCKING ARMIES) but by the time he's an adult, he's clearly learned of fear.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#50034: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:05:01 AM

Point, but Beerus made it sound like it was some kind of moral achievement for Vegeta, when in fact he was just pissing his pants from fear.

[up]I don't remember Goku being scared of Freeza.

edited 21st Jan '17 9:05:32 AM by Shlugo_the_great

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#50035: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:10:58 AM

I can agree with that.

Anyway, as for the other thing, yeah, I don't recall Goku ever being actually afraid of Freeza. Acknowledging that Freeza was too strong? Yeah, but afraid of him? I don't think such a thing... well, was a thing.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50036: Jan 21st 2017 at 10:10:31 AM

Really? He seemed to get pretty scared when Frieza unleashed just 50% of his power. Sure, he got better when he tried the 20 times Kaioken Kamehameha, and then the Spirit bomb, but he was rightfully scared for a bit when Frieza when full power. It's just that they he started getting rekt and had to focus on not getting rekt (which he failed, because he Frieza kept wiping the floor with him).

Edit: Ok, I check both the manga and the anime, and you guys were right. He was surprised, but not really scared. Though he didn't really have time to be afraid anyway since Frieza started laying into him almost immediately.

So I was wrong.

edited 21st Jan '17 10:29:52 AM by HandsomeRob

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#50038: Jan 21st 2017 at 11:54:34 AM

Watched most of the video.

No, he didn't. The humans were never really useful in combat to begin with barring one or two exceptions so them becoming even more irrelevant is, well, irrelevant. Beyond that, if you were to remove all of the numbers from the Namek Saga, I bet you he wouldn't be complaining.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#50039: Jan 21st 2017 at 12:02:25 PM

That seems to be a common sentiment, but yea, the humans were already being phased out by Namek with them spending the entire arc dead and indisposed.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50040: Jan 21st 2017 at 12:12:46 PM

The only useful humans are Bulma (Science!) and Mr. Satan (Bluffing!).

Everyone else is pretty much useless after Krillin gets his Namek power up (and Krillin is still useless in spite of that).

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50041: Jan 21st 2017 at 12:22:05 PM

Freeza showed why using numbers to keep track of power scaling was pointless after a while. There's no demonstrable way to show large sepearations in power with mere numbers.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#50042: Jan 21st 2017 at 12:23:08 PM

The humans were basically useless before that. The very first time a human character fights the Big Bad is when Roshi fights Piccolo Daimaou and we all know how that ended. The most useful a human has ever been in a fight with the Big Bad is when Krillin threw the Spirit Bomb at Vegeta. Outside of that, all the humans ever do is buy time for Goku.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50043: Jan 21st 2017 at 12:25:04 PM

I mean, that is useful, whenever it's applicable.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#50044: Jan 21st 2017 at 12:54:54 PM

Oh, it is. Without the humans around, things would be a hell of a lot worse in a lot of instances. It's just that a large portion of the fanbase only sees characters as being useful if they're powerful and get to beat up the bad guys.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50045: Jan 21st 2017 at 1:00:06 PM

Name one fan who does that?

<Looks in the mirror>

...And his name can't rhyme with Randsome Hob.

edited 21st Jan '17 1:00:54 PM by HandsomeRob

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#50046: Jan 21st 2017 at 1:01:41 PM

Look at every person who complains about the humans not being useful. There are several in this thread.

Also, I love how you made your command into a question.

edited 21st Jan '17 1:02:13 PM by Zelenal

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50047: Jan 21st 2017 at 1:06:42 PM

But they aren't even useful for buying time anymore...

And that's kind of sad.

But that only means they've outlived their purpose...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#50048: Jan 21st 2017 at 1:07:53 PM

[up][up]

Turning commands into questions happens to be the next big thing.

Also, I put a question mark there by mistake.

But at this point I'm reminded of a beating a dead horse conversation in the Abridged thread, so I'll end this one here.

edited 21st Jan '17 1:08:08 PM by HandsomeRob

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50049: Jan 21st 2017 at 1:09:21 PM

Who's talking about beating a dead horse?

edited 21st Jan '17 1:09:41 PM by randomness4

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#50050: Jan 21st 2017 at 1:11:25 PM

Future Mai doesn't have any superpowers and she still put in work.


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