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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49976: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:20:18 AM

Even before Super, I didn't really think "bad air" in Buu's insides made any sense for Vegetto defusing.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#49977: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:28:03 AM

Well apparently, that's more acceptable than the explanation Super gave.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49978: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:39:53 AM

No one cares that much about the retcon, but it's uninteresting because there's already a fusion method with a time limit.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49979: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:40:37 AM

I mean, I guess it's a bit more uninteresting now, but it made more sense than "bad air".

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49980: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:42:34 AM

I like that sentence. It's exactly how I approach the Dragon Ball Super Manga.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#49981: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:48:06 AM

It's easy to mock 'bad air' when you take it completely out of context. When you remember that 'bad air' is the air that's inside an Eldritch Abomination hell bent on the annihilation of anything that is just there, it's definitely different than just saying 'bad air'. Context is King.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49982: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:49:12 AM

It still, personally, sounds weird and vague as heck. Might just be me, I don't know, but it's not something I particularly feel cuts it as far as explanations go.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#49983: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:23:54 PM

Remember that the 5-minute Goku vs Frieza fight last for many chapters and dozens of episodes.

Also remember that the Buu Saga took place in the timespan of just a few days.

edited 20th Jan '17 12:24:10 PM by Rinsankajugin

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49984: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:30:18 PM

The fun thing is that the fight against Buu only lasted that long because Goku didn't want to finish it during Day One of Buu getting released.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#49985: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:32:16 PM

I don't know if this was a dub-ism, but didn't Goku say he wasn't sure he could beat Fat Buu in the time he had left?

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#49986: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:33:23 PM

I'm not sure and I don't know moonrunes so I can't check myself.

We'll have to wait for Saiga.

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#49987: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:33:39 PM

I like the Potara Fusion having an actual explanation for why it failed. It also really needs to be the Potara, and not the Dance, because this whole arc is about Mortals using Godly powers to take down a self-righteous evil God. Zamasu thinks himself above the mortal realm by virtue of his Godhood, but when he fuses with Black, Fused Zamasu is corrupted and starts to melt when he regenerates, because despite being an immortal God, he's being brought to heel by the mortal body of Son Goku inside of him, exposing his flaws.

To contrast, Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks are mortals that have tapped into Godly Ki which allows them to fight Zamasu, and Vegetto is formed with the same method of fusion as Fused Zamasu, and though Vegetto's inherently flawed also because mortals fusing with Potara isn't right, Vegetto is stronger than Fused Zamasu because the mortals fusing are more balanced and using the same Godly powers.

Basically, the Future Trunks arc is about a God, who got scared of the potential power of Mortals, went genocidal, fused with himself from another timeline, and was ultimately defeated by him own arrogance failing to take into account a mortal corruption within himself: the body of Son Goku. While on the heroes side, we have: three mortals who use the power and tools of the Gods in order to defeat Zamasu.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#49988: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:34:03 PM

Yeah I think Goku being able to beat Fat Buu was a retcon after Kid Buu came around.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#49989: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:39:08 PM

... No, the arc is not about that.

The arc is about an arrogant jackass being proven wrong. It's a story as old as time itself. It's not about 'mortals using god powers to take down a god' or the longer version you wrote. It's about an arrogant jackass getting knocked down all the pegs.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49990: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:40:33 PM

Not to mention none of the mortals were able to take down that God.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#49991: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:41:04 PM

In the end, it's a Shoot the Shaggy Dog Story, I think.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#49992: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:42:28 PM

[up]×11

Not really, it still makes no sense in context sense.

Again, this "bad air" had no effect on Gotenks and he defused by the timelimit. Logically, the same is true for Vegito.

In context, there has always been evidence that the Potara Fusions work differently on mortals.

edited 20th Jan '17 12:43:07 PM by Cortez

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49993: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:50:44 PM

Goku does comment he probably could have destroyed Fat Buu as a Super Saiyan 3 but wanted to let Goten and Trunks have the experience because he wasn't going to be around forever to deal with things like that. He was llamenting what a poor decision that was.

edited 20th Jan '17 12:51:24 PM by LSBK

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#49994: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:53:06 PM

[up]x5 It is about both, though your interpretation is far shallower and more obvious.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#49995: Jan 20th 2017 at 12:58:06 PM

@Cortez

Goten and Trunks fused with a completely different method. You can say "oh the bad air didn't affect them, so it doesn't make sense that it affected Goku and Vegeta", but you're talking about two different things and pretending they're the same.

Potara is not an upgraded form of the fusion dance.

Yes, they achieve a similar result, but they do so through different means, the result is different and the requirements are different.

Not to mention the fact that Gotenks was in a coccoon in what passes for Buu's brain while Vegetto wound up somewhere around his stomach.

Furthermore, the 'evidence' you bring up of the fusion being different for mortals can be chalked up to the fact that in both other instances, one of the fusion partners was significantly lesser than the other, while Goku and Vegeta are equals (well, mostly).

You're making a ton of assumptions and leaps of logic to justify Super's dumb retcon.

edited 20th Jan '17 12:58:39 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#49996: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:13:25 PM

We've now devolved to arguing which explanation is the more stupid and makes less sense.

Good night everybody.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49997: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:15:28 PM

Chapter 20 of Dragon Ball Super's out, if you want something to take your mind off this thread.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#49998: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:16:07 PM

[up][up]Every time I see complaining about stuff like this I have to ask:

What is a discussion forum for, if not discussion?

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#49999: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:17:22 PM

I'm been on that end, to be fair. I can't count the number of discussions in other topics I found stupid or uninteresting, even if the guys doing the discussing didn't.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#50000: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:19:43 PM

I get not being interested, but here's the thing:

You can change the topic without being whiny about it. Just start a different topic. People will discuss a different topic if you bring a different topic to the table.

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