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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49751: Jan 15th 2017 at 1:48:03 PM

[up][up][up]"How come he's so lame, yet so popular?" [lol]

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#49752: Jan 15th 2017 at 2:04:39 PM

[up] It's official. They know.

Next filler arc's going to have Tien save the day with the Tri-Beam I bet.

edited 15th Jan '17 2:07:28 PM by Soble

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#49753: Jan 15th 2017 at 2:40:40 PM

On the Macrocosm Cannon

    spoiler stuff 
Let me get this straight. Jaco can't fire the Macrocosm Cannon because it will kill Barry. But "Super Great Saiyaman Beam" is fine to Gohan because he "held back?" Anything Jaco could produce would likely be weaker than what Gohan could fire. And far as I saw Gohan's beam pretty much blasted him head-on.

I don't know, the Macrocosm Cannon produced a blast that looked the equal of any of the superpowered ki blasts our characters throw around. I was frankly astonished Jaco had anything of that level in his arsenal. But I'm guessing that cannon's output can't be regulated, while Gohan's renamed Kamehameha can.

edited 15th Jan '17 2:41:43 PM by DarkHunter

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#49754: Jan 15th 2017 at 2:49:31 PM

M An, they really missed out on an opportunity for a Great Saiyaman spin off. I would have loved that.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#49755: Jan 15th 2017 at 2:58:56 PM

I don't know, the Macrocosm Cannon produced a blast that looked the equal of any of the superpowered ki blasts our characters throw around. I was frankly astonished Jaco had anything of that level in his arsenal. But I'm guessing that cannon's output can't be regulated, while Gohan's renamed Kamehameha can.

I guess. But the siatuation's still kind of funny - no Jaco, don't fire a big blue beam at him! Let me fire a big blue beam at him, trust me, my family does this kind of thing all the time, it's practically a gene!

[down] Makes sense.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:05:31 PM by Soble

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#49756: Jan 15th 2017 at 2:59:41 PM

@Soble

Goten only got excited after having watched the film, meaning the film made him a fan again.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#49757: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:00:12 PM

Well that was enjoyable. Felt like an extremely classic shonen shout out.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#49758: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:47:04 PM

I told my friend I wanted to write a fanfic of Dragon Ball Super X Dragon Ball Gt.

Long story short: Goku Black goes to the GT timeline instead of Trunks timeline. There, he starts to kill the kais, and when Kibito Kai and Old Kai were in danger, Goku saves them. Then we got a full blown fight between Super Saiyan Rosé vs Super Saiyan 4. The story ends with Beerus and Super Saiyan 4 Veggeto going against Merged Zamasu, and being victorious. Sadly, the GT timeline was consumed by Zamasu justice form, and the heroes, Beerus, the kais and Whis looking for a way to fix the situation, only to go to another similar timeline..

Well, that was a dark ending, and a recycled premise, I know.

edited 15th Jan '17 5:48:38 PM by Tomodachi

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49759: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:59:45 PM

The dark ending saved that whole idea...

S+ work...

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#49760: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:10:15 PM

I also wanted to expand on Uub character, and maybe turn him into Beerus disciple XD

Majin Buu reincarnation has to kill the Rogue Kai!

edited 15th Jan '17 6:12:41 PM by Tomodachi

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49761: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:28:24 PM

You should take this idea to the Dragonball Fanfiction thread then.

It's the only place where it came be properly fostered and grow.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#49762: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:29:34 PM

Heh. Ideas fostering and growing in the fic thread. That's a good one.

My various fanfics.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#49763: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:36:47 PM

isn't that somewhat similar to the image we who complain about Gohan turning into a pedestrian have of Gohan himself? This powerful, confident, violent creature?

No, but it IS quite similar to a strawman argument

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plays capoeira
#49764: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:14:57 PM

So, more good things about the Super anime. It's animation looks very good, Off-Model aside, Kirby Dots! The music is much better than almost everything TOEI had put into "Dragon Ball Z" since the point where Goku and Piccolo were revealed to be aliens(yes, Chalala and such, Z did have some gems but most of it just didn't work-there's a reason people like the Falconer soundtrack so much).

TOEI still doesn't get power levels, but they have figured out how to animate super saiyan 2, so that's progress, I guess. Hit traveling forward in time is a much better gimmick than freezing it for select targets (and hey, time travel forward is theoretically possible based on our current understanding, traveling backwards is what can't be done, so the whole time ring rules make sense too, sort of)

Still, I have to ask, because I was hoping they wouldn't resort to it, why Arale choping the Earth in half is still supposed to impress people. One of the first things we saw in super was half a planet being blown in half by a finger poke...the whole thing actually in the manga. Too beaten up to keep up golden form Freeza had a more impressive feat before super was even a thing...hell we've seen planets blowing up since Freeza was a thing and just saw like, a whole alternate timeline erased. And how was Goku able to survive and communicate in what should have been less than void but need a special suit to do something as trivial as go to the planet's core. Didn't he get knocked into one of those during, good god, the Freeza fight again?

Beerus destroying the ghost but getting indigestion was great, though it makes me wonder if they're ever going to address the contradiction of Majin Buu reading Neko Majin, which takes place after the Dragon Ball epilogue when Dragon Ball Super is a prequel to the epilogue.

Buldogue's lawyer
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49765: Jan 16th 2017 at 12:49:16 AM

I found something on Kaizenshuu forums about Goku being a hero.

I'm going to go against the grain here, methinks. I'm not a fan of the "hope of the universe" Goku. Even the movie Toei Goku can get a bit outside of the character at times. But I honestly feel the accidental hero, selfish manchild aspect is far too overstated as well. Maybe it's fans pulling against FU Nimation's depictions. Maybe it's Toriyama pulling against Toei's depictions. But Goku is (or was at least) very selflessly heroic. I think he, unfortunately, became less so over time as he began inheriting "Saiyan" characteristics that were then claimed to have always been there. But remember this is a guy who abandons his epic quest without hesitation to carry a sea turtle back to his home, with no thought of reward or expectation of fighting, just because it's the right thing to do. He finishes gathering all the Dragon Balls, even the ones he doesn't care about, just to bring an innocent man back to life. Yes, he is driven by battle. Yes, he is simple and is often motivated by his own desires. Yes, he can often make reckless decisions. No, he does not live by an overt code or sit in the Hall of Justice waiting to battle the Legion of Doom. And I love all of those things about him. But that's not all Goku is at all, and it pains me that he continues to be pushed further in that direction as the years go on.

I know Goku is not some superhero who fights justice and truth but Goku really isn't that selfish either. You know how some fans complain that superhero Goku is out of character? It seems as though the other extreme is just as jarring. surprised

"Mai waifu."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49766: Jan 16th 2017 at 12:57:07 AM

He's not some innocent kid anymore...he doesn't travel the world and helping people he runs into by chance.

After he grew up, training has been at the focus point...besides raising his kids for however long he could. That being selfish is just a minor thing.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#49767: Jan 16th 2017 at 1:16:23 AM

[up][up] the guy who abandoned his epic quest to help a sea turtle also considered eating said turtle and only refrained because he was told turtles taste bad

But I do agree with the overall point

edited 16th Jan '17 1:17:02 AM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49768: Jan 16th 2017 at 1:21:19 AM

That's priority...

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49769: Jan 16th 2017 at 1:26:26 AM

Just think how different the series would be if Goku had found out the horrible truth: that turtles are delicious.

edited 16th Jan '17 1:26:38 AM by KnownUnknown

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49770: Jan 16th 2017 at 1:30:15 AM

They'd never find the Dragon Ball...

Pilaf gets the dragon ball...

Everything up to the Great Ape stuff still happens pretty much...

Then Karrot decides to go to the city early...

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49771: Jan 16th 2017 at 2:17:16 AM

Also Roshi might get pissed and might give him the beating of his life.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49772: Jan 16th 2017 at 4:44:23 AM

Dragon Ball really loves causality. tongue

"Mai waifu."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#49773: Jan 16th 2017 at 5:04:44 AM

Those are the only factors of a different time streamline.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#49774: Jan 16th 2017 at 5:48:49 AM

Yeah. This exactly.

Goku is selfish, but not as much as Toriyama might push.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#49775: Jan 16th 2017 at 6:45:12 AM

Maybe he just decided he didn't like how Toei and Funimation were changing his character so he just decided to make him not as heroic.

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