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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49301: Jan 9th 2017 at 12:51:22 PM

Which was pretty silly of him now that I think about it. Did he think that the child that beaten him won't grow any stronger in the meantime?

Maybe he just doesn't understand how growing up works in different races.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#49302: Jan 9th 2017 at 12:54:28 PM

Remember, Piccolo Jr. took only three years to become an adult when, judging by Dende, it typically takes significantly longer. Maybe he thought that fact would offset Goku's growth potential.

edited 9th Jan '17 12:55:02 PM by MightyMatilda

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49303: Jan 9th 2017 at 1:02:04 PM

Besides, Piccolo Jr. was stronger than Piccolo Sr., so... he probably did the best he could.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49304: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:20:46 PM

You know there was something about the arc that bothered me, Piccolo Jr was going to destroy the entire arena and/or destroy the world but Goku is concerned with a having a fair fight with Piccolo rather than stop him destroying the planet. Piccolo Jr was going to destroy the arena and civilians were evacuated but Goku was still concerned about having a fair fight with him.

"Mai waifu."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49305: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:24:08 PM

So, what bothers you about it?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#49306: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:25:29 PM

I think I mentioned the slasher smile after the gut punch, if anything, my apologices for not wording it in a clearer way (or my apologices if I was rewritting it, then forgot to save, been a quite hetic day over here).

And, once again, being in the same ballpark is not being FUCKING ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE WEAKER. I'm not arguing that Freeza wasn't throughly outclassed, for fuck's sake. Roshi said he wasn't at the same level as the fighters in the 23rd Budokai, yet within those contestants, Goku and Piccolo outclassed everybody else, but Krillin and Tenshinhan were far closer to their level than Taopaipai or lol Chichi.

Piccolo Jr. is kind of an special case, after all, being the reincarnation of your father, which himself had split from an original Namekian, is not standard fare, I'd say.

edited 9th Jan '17 2:26:50 PM by Eriorguez

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49307: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:40:28 PM

So, what bothers you about it?

That Goku was mostly concerned with having fair fight Piccolo despite Piccolo wanting to destroy the arena and the rest oft he world.

"Mai waifu."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49308: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:41:29 PM

That's Goku for you. And Piccolo wasn't going to destroy the world, if he did he'd have nothing to rule over.

edited 9th Jan '17 2:41:50 PM by LSBK

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#49309: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:41:31 PM

That's perfectly in-character for Goku tho...

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49310: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:42:36 PM

Yep, that's Goku alright.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49311: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:51:31 PM

I guess. I am not used to Original!Goku as much as I am used to Funimation!Goku but even Original!Goku does have his virtues. In Super Goku actually ordered a hit on himself just so he can fight Hit and figured out his techniques. I just need to remember that Goku is not a Silver Age Superman style righteous hero but a country bumpkin who just likes to fight and improve himself.

edited 9th Jan '17 2:51:53 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49312: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:56:20 PM

Ordering a Hit on himself is one of the least stupid things Goku did in Super, when you consider that it takes them approximately a hour to gather Dragon Balls these days.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49313: Jan 9th 2017 at 2:58:46 PM

You'll see plenty of people like GAP from now on. Dudes who grew up with Dragon Ball Z, unused to the real character of Goku.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#49314: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:01:25 PM

Maybe I didn't pay much attention as a kid but I grew up on the original Funimation dub yet Goku's Blood Knight tendencies have always seemed totally in-line with how I perceived him.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49315: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:02:21 PM

[up][up]Why now? What happened?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49316: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:02:56 PM

That's been a thing for a while, though - there are lots of people saying how big fans they are who never watched anything pre-Radditz.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49317: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:05:55 PM

I feel like it should be common knowledge that the orginal Funi dub (and others) were well, not good, both in terms of acting and changes to the script.

That seems par the course for dubbing anime around that time.

edited 9th Jan '17 3:13:44 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#49318: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:06:15 PM

Yea it's pretty common. It's why people denounce Kai is "ruining" the characters just for not sticking to the characterization they grew up with as children.

Oh man, I cannot wait for how these guys are going to react to how Super annihilates Goku's character and destroys everything they remembered about their childhood

[up] You'd be surprised how hard people are willing to cling to their nostalgia.

edited 9th Jan '17 3:06:49 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49319: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:09:37 PM

I will give the dub of the Dragon Ball pre Raditz this, it stayed true to Goku's characterization to the original Japanese anime. I first heard about the true Goku in Youtube comment sections before I came to contact with DB Ztubers later in life.

[up] It actually goes both ways.

edited 9th Jan '17 3:12:56 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49320: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:09:49 PM

I mean, now people are complaining about Super ruining Goku's character, but for different reasons. This might actually line up more with nostalgia. That actually seems to Super's modus operandi.

But the Kai bashing was always ridiculous. So many complain complaints about the voices suck and replacing everyone, even though most of the old cast returned and they actually sounded, you know, good. Different, but better different.

But, nostalgia is a hell of a thing. Not even necessarily bad because who doesn't want fond memories of things, but damn.

edited 9th Jan '17 3:15:20 PM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#49321: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:10:20 PM

It's also not as atrociously bad as some of its contemporaries.

I mean, 4kids existed. It's a damned shame - they had the business sense to pay their talent relatively well, which resulted in people wanting to work for them and giving good performances, but the overzealous censorship killed them.

[up]Depends on which thing you're focusing on.

If the thing you're focusing on is that Goku is way dumber than he should be, you're in the right track.

If the thing you're complaining about is that the characters aren't heroic, you came in expecting the wrong thing from Dragon Ball.

edited 9th Jan '17 3:11:22 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#49322: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:15:09 PM

Goku does seem a lot more foolish than he was in the original series, I wonder if it is a side effect of the Dragon balls and the other gods being there is the reason Goku is so relaxed?

"Mai waifu."
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#49323: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:16:37 PM

Didn't Funi have a lot of difficulty dubbing Dragon Ball Z or something? I watched an interview Chris Stuckmann did with Christopher Sabat, and Sabat was talking about how haphazard and rushed the dubbing was, with the equipment being old and outdated and having to record super fast so the show could air on TV (not to mention his early voice for Vegeta sounded like he was blatantly trying to imitate Brian Drummond of the Ocean dub). That's not even going into the cringiest changes they made to the script in the original Funi dub (Freeza telling Goku his shoe was untied was something in particular I remembered Phelous mentioning in one of his videos).

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#49324: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:23:22 PM

Early Funimation was very rough; they didn't really hit a stride with the series until the middle of the Android arc. If I remember from one interview before Kai debuted in America, the actors, particularly the ones who were apart of the original dub, were glad they finally got a chance to "fix" things, particularly in the Saiyan to Namek saga.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#49325: Jan 9th 2017 at 3:26:32 PM

Big Green dub will always be the best dub tho.


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