That's...not how that works.
The original source material would be a finished product to adapt from, an outline is not at all close to that.
edited 26th Dec '16 2:47:21 AM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Filler doesn't have a universal definition to begin with, and there IS something resembling an original source: Toriyama's script.
Super's produced in a situation not quite like other series. So I don't think being using strict definition of concepts that apply moreso to series produced in a different way.
That is a laughably simplistic description that does not paint an accurate picture.
Because generally, the person coming up with the draft actually works for the company producing the work and is involved in the production. Toriyama has his own studio, he is not a Toei employee which is a very big difference
That difference being how significant?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.The difference being that we can never really say that either Toei or Toyotaro can 'decide' what Dragon Ball Super should be like, because neither 'owns' it creatively speaking.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariThere is no filler because they not filling time for something to catch up with. There is lots of padding in Super.
Canon? Well until someone outright comes and says one version of super, show or comic, take precedence over the other, we can't say which is canon, only that they aren't in continuity with one another.
Canon only really made sense when the manga was the undisputed authority on all things Dragon Ball. And even then, we didn't have a clear canon lined out for us, we could only make educated guesses based on what could and could not be in continuity with the manga(which is to say, absolutely nothing besides a few words from God that weren't always consistent and Dragon Ball Online even began to make sense...and even that game has some time travel-alternate timeline headaches, questionable narrative cases that only make sense in the context of a game and has probably been rendered obsolete by some later revealed information)
edited 26th Dec '16 6:37:13 AM by IndirectActiveTransport
Buldogue's lawyerIn other words, and to quote someone from here a long time ago, canon as we know it doesn't really exist with regards to Dragon Ball.
Because that's not really how Japan does things, methinks.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariNow you're just generalizing an entire country. One work taking precedent over another definitely is a concept they understand fully. If you don't believe that, take a look at Gundam sometime. I'd say the ultimate difference is they're a little less likely to throw someone else's work away outright as they are to create a situation where it cane be safely ignored, because, you know, manners.
Anyway, since my mom has discovered Super I have watched the first fourteen episodes, and if you can get over the fact it's a completely unnecessary retelling of something that didn't happen all that long ago, that it took 280 minutes to achieve what the movie did in 105, if you ignore that there is a shorter, superior version of it, it's not that bad. Better than the Z anime(of which there was also a shorter, superior version of, but I digress). Even taking these fundamental flaws into account, "Battle Of Gods: The Subpar Remake No One Asked For" is still better than Dragon Ball GT.
The best things it brings is Vegeta fulfilling his promise to take Trunks out, and establishing a special ability of Beerus that fits well with his job description, the latter being the only reason to even suggest retelling a perfectly good story.
Buldogue's lawyerClosest thing to a canon in Dragon Ball is the original 24 volume manga and even then there are plot holes in it. Perfect Cell's head getting blown off and regenerating from that despite the fact that Cell said that as long his nucleus in his head is intact several chapters later anyone?
"Mai waifu."
I guess not. I don't know if there is a definite canon for Dragon ball unless you count the manga, that Daizenshuu guide and Toriyama but he isn't very reliable.
edited 26th Dec '16 2:03:37 PM by GAP
"Mai waifu."I always felt that after Yu Yu Hakusho came out during the time, Toriyama should have given King Enma a son that looked like Koenma just as a small nod to how eerily similar both series's Spirit worlds are in terms of looks.
Watch SymphogearWhy should he?
There's no reason why he should include a nod to a series that's drawing from the same inspiration as his does, in terms of the look and some of the functionality of the afterlife, especially when Yu Yu Hakusho's spirit world does not work like the Dragon Ball afterlife in any really significant way.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariAlso, Japan does have A concept of canon, but normally they don't view it the way we do. I think Western properties tend to have more interaction with the fanbase, which leads to them doing things like defining their own canon and communicating such to the fans. It is very rare to see Japanese creators address that.
Instead, the Japanese creators and fans alike place a huge emphasis on the work of the original creator - but that includes anything that has the creators involvement, and is rarely brought up in relation to continuity. It's just that anything with the original creator's name attached attracts more interest from fans, so a big deal is made of marketing it.
There isn't even a consistent definition of canon. Most of the definitions out there are superseded by creators actually stating what is canon, which is mostly defined by what is in continuity and going to be used in future works. With DB, who the fuck knows? A lot of things that were considered canon have been dropped in future works, even stuff from the manga.
Generally speaking, Toei will continue to use stuff exclusive to their own works and Toriyama will use stuff from his own works (like Jaco, stuff he came up with in interviews, etc). But I don't think either of them are thinking hard about canon when doing so.
Hell, the five Supreme Kais thing seems to be retconned into there only ever being one, since we only saw one Supreme Kai from Universe 6 attend the tournament, Gowasu was the only Supreme Kai we saw from Universe 10, and if we're going off from the trailer for the next arc, all the Gods of Destruction only brought one Supreme Kai with them to meet the Zenos.
At this rate, it'll probably be retconned that Shin was training to be the next Supreme Kai when the (Grand) Supreme Kai was alive, and that his predecessor tried to valiantly fight Majin Buu, only to be absorbed which created the Fat Buu that we know and leading to Shin having to step in to deal with his predecessor's duties.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Why no just say that Universe 7 just had more then one Kaioshin, while the others required just one?
Considering that Zamasu was a mere Kai, but was close in power to Super Saiyan 2 Goku, it might just be that the Kais of other universes are stronger for some reason.
Or they could say that all the other Kaioshin were potential candidates, and that Dai Kaioshin thought all of them were worthy enough, so he trained all of them as Kaioshins, or something like that?
There are plenty of ways to deal with it that don't contradict what was said in the past. I mean, we already know East Kaioshin was Incompletely Trained due to everyone else dying, so it's not like he'd know how things work in other universes.
edited 26th Dec '16 6:32:38 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!I was thinking they could easily retcon that Universe 7 was the anomaly, and being to reduced to one Kaioshin (technically two) has not been fixed as the other universes get by just fine on one Kaioshin.
If they wanted, they could even say 7 and 6 are bigger than the other universes, which is why other universes only have one Kaioshin. And it means they don't have to deal with as much exposition for the others.
That works too.
...So what're the chances that they'll even bother to do that?
edited 26th Dec '16 6:33:44 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!

Except each set of media is given an outline by Toriyama, so there is an original source of material here.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!