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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#48801: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:13:51 PM

Uhm, anyone going to help answer my question?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48802: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:18:41 PM

[up][up][up] that's not entirely true. A few animators have apologized for the work produced, citing the terrible conditions they have been put through, and how they wished they could be doing a better job.

But they had to avoid actually saying it was Super they were talking back for fear of backlash, instead giving hints that only apply to Super.

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#48803: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:25:08 PM

Comparing Toei animators to Madhouse is unfair.

Stop doing it, damn it.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48804: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:34:39 PM

It's like comparing someone with an accounting job with someone working in retail. One clearly has better conditions than the other.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#48805: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:39:50 PM

About today episode: I really like it. Solid writing, with mayyyyybe the Ass Pull of the beginning aside.

Besides, the punchline was solid.

The art, my god, it was bad. Then again, is part of the, ehem, "filler arc", so I can't say much.

Also, Vegeta is jelly.

edited 24th Dec '16 10:42:45 PM by Tomodachi

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48806: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:41:26 PM

@Saiga

It's likely those guys were punished for caring, too.

@Tomodachi

It's not so much comparing Toei and Madhouse as it is saying that Toei is bad for having what is arguably the biggest manga property and fucking up its anime and citing Madhouse as an example of people who made so much more with so much less.

edited 24th Dec '16 10:42:14 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48807: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:42:49 PM

[up]x5 I wasn't talking about the animators that worked on the show, I was talking about Toei as a whole. There are definitely some amazing or at least really good animators working on Super but that doesn't mean shit for dick if the people with all the power who call the shots don't give them what they need to work to their full ability.

edited 24th Dec '16 10:44:13 PM by Zelenal

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#48808: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:44:39 PM

Madhouse has the One Punch Man manga by Murata as source. Dragon Ball Super has the clip notes done by Toriyama, so outside of the main arcs, they basically have nothing to work with.

Is an unfair comparison. Remember, Toei had a decent thing in the 90's, because they had Dragon Ball manga as source, something they don't have now.

edited 24th Dec '16 10:48:03 PM by Tomodachi

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#48809: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:46:59 PM

[up] The great animation and fight choreography of Battle of Gods disproves your point.

Also, plenty of other studios create amazingly animated works that are entirely original or only have text or a handful of CGs to work off of.

edited 24th Dec '16 10:48:29 PM by Zelenal

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#48810: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:49:13 PM

[up] Oh, you mean the movie with a better budget?

Yeah, no, it doesn't disprove anything. A long running series like Super doesn't exactly have a big budget. Maybe if Super was a short season series, the animation would be top notch... but then we won't have Arale and Yamcha episodes :P

edited 24th Dec '16 10:50:43 PM by Tomodachi

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48811: Dec 24th 2016 at 10:55:40 PM

The freedom of not having a manga to follow is a double edged sword, and in Toei's case, it wound up cutting them.

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#48812: Dec 24th 2016 at 11:03:22 PM

The best way to explain Hit's abilities is King Crimson.

That is all.

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#48813: Dec 24th 2016 at 11:43:48 PM

[up][up][up] We just established that budget isn't the end-all be-all. It helps but it's not the only factor.

Besides, Pokemon XY also proves that a long running anime can look really damn good. Even people who despise the anime with every fiber of their being will often agree that the animation is really damn good.

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#48814: Dec 24th 2016 at 11:57:31 PM

I'm not saying they're immune, I'm saying they get over it insanely quickly, and they recover from things that most people really wouldn't. I'm not sure I can name very many people who would recover from a fraction of what Gohan went through, but Gohan is a very well adjusted, productive member of society whose quirks do not relate to his trauma in any way, and are instead a result of him being a complete dork trying to be cool and hip. Basically, you can fuck them up, but you can't make it stick. Then again, this is the case with most shonen action characters in general - it's just that Dragon Ball has an actual explanation for why this is the case. They're aliens who exist solely for fighting.

You do have a point. It seems as though none of the characters actually angst about what had happen to them although TFS do make jokes about Gohan possibly having some issues due to the events of the story. Aren't there some dark, deconstruction fics that touch upon this? I know Dragon Ball can be dark but it isn't as dark and angsty as Evangelion.

edited 25th Dec '16 12:00:07 AM by GAP

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#48815: Dec 25th 2016 at 12:02:48 AM

[up] IIRC, there's a fic where Babidi decided to turn Gohan into a Majin based on such issues.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48816: Dec 25th 2016 at 7:15:15 AM

There's a bunch of fanfic where Gohan is messed up and angsty and all sorts of things that he very much isn't in canon, because Gohan fills the role of 'hero we're supposed to identify with', and the Buu saga is a pretty common set up - the high school thing helps a lot to the self insertion writers.

All things said, though, I'm fairly sure the entirety of Goku and Vegeta's families could sit down for dinner with Buu and not care.

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#48817: Dec 25th 2016 at 8:06:07 AM

Then again they do live in a universe where these happen anyway and Dragon Ball is essentially a gag manga turned shonen battle series. Dragon ball can be dark but it isn't pointlessly grimdark where everybody is a ticking time bomb of angst and self loathing ready to explode. tongue [lol]

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Cag Since: Sep, 2010
#48818: Dec 25th 2016 at 9:56:56 AM

[up]x6

That doesn't really help though.

I love how Champa's reaction to Vados' explanation is "I still don't get it".

Hit just works.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48819: Dec 25th 2016 at 10:48:05 AM

If it works exactly like King Crimson then Hit's powers work like this:

From the instant Hit activates his powers until they stop, that time is essentially erased. People and objects will continue doing whatever they had been doing before but their actions now have no consequences. For example, if someone were to try and punch Hit and Hit skipped time, your punch would still go through but it wouldn't actually, well, hit Hit. Instead, it would basically phase through him. Once the time skip ended, your fist would be where it should be after the punch but you'd have no memory of it traveling there. During the time skip, the only actions that have consequences are Hit's so he can beat the shit out of you during it but you can't touch him.

At least, assuming his powers work exactly like King Crimson but without the limitation of what can and can't be manipulated.

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#48820: Dec 25th 2016 at 10:51:09 AM

Hit has both the powers of King Crimson and ZA WARUDO.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#48821: Dec 25th 2016 at 11:09:06 AM

Besides, Pokemon XY also proves that a long running anime can look really damn good. Even people who despise the anime with every fiber of their being will often agree that the animation is really damn good.

There are a lot of factors that can go into that though. Pokemon and Precure are done in 50 episode blocks and rotate teams where each season has basically been in production for 2+ years before airing, Super doesn't even have the rotating staff. The 'lead time' on a long runner is a huge help to animation quality, for example Gundam Seed was in production for almost 2 years Gundam Seed Destiny had 6 months...

Super's production problems and quickness to air after the movie has put it in the Destiny category of just trying to keep up with weekly releases. If Super took a year break it would be a lot better but as it stands they will just never catch up. They will just outsource the B Ds to a clean up crew and just keep chugging along.

edited 25th Dec '16 11:10:33 AM by Memers

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48822: Dec 25th 2016 at 11:13:33 AM

Thing is, you're assuming that if they took a year break, the anime would be better, but... I don't think they'd use the year break to produce a proper quality product - they know they don't have to, Dragon Ball Super will sell like hotcakes regardless of how bad it is.

Dragon Ball Super is not as good as it should be because Toei doesn't care about the franchise itself, only that it makes them money.

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#48823: Dec 25th 2016 at 11:13:42 AM

And that disproves my point how?

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#48824: Dec 25th 2016 at 11:22:58 AM

"Kakarot. You seem to enjoy fighting Hit more than fighting me."

Why does Vegeta sounds like a jealous girlfriend? [lol]

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#48825: Dec 25th 2016 at 11:30:37 AM

That's actually real sad, a true tragic story in the making.

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