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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48751: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:09:02 PM

Or they fear that Goten and Trunks may do something incredibly stupid and screw them over, because Goten and Trunks are dumb.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48752: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:25:10 PM

This is true.

That being said, lets hope we don't have a certain fat bubble gum idiot falling asleep again.

That fucking card has been played far too often. I expect to see some good fights out of Buu this time.

Though there's also the possibility that he gets himself disqualified by turning someone into candy if there's a rule against it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48753: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:28:30 PM

The question wasn't whether it can be justified, it's whether it will be or will the flagrant fan-service pick just be left unchallenged.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48754: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:34:01 PM

Eh. It wasn't justified in Resurrection F beyond (out loud, though I assume he just didn't leave because there was no time to do so).

It's clear Toriyama just thinks Roshi is a better choice to work with for some reason or another.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#48755: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:43:39 PM

[up] To be fair, Toriyama also likes to bench characters he doesn't need for a current arc.

"Mai waifu."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48756: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:54:26 PM

This is true.

Still, suddenly showing such interesting in getting Roshi back on the battlefield after keeping him out of the spotlight for so long is rather strange. It's the same thing that led to him randomly bringing back the Pilaf gang, and the bullshit Trunks / Mai pairing.

The thing is, now he has to go to the trouble of justifying Roshi being able to fight with the strongest fighters in 12 universes.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#48757: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:18:54 PM

Just because they're the strongest fighters from all twelve universes doesn't necessarily mean they're all that strong. For all we know, there may be a universe where the strongest mortal there is only on par with Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48758: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:26:22 PM

That's fair enough.

It'll be interesting to see if Toriyama writes them being paired up like that.

I mean, he can do fights between equal or near equal opponents, but one dude (barring a surprise technique of some sort) is usually guaranteed to win if he's stronger.

The one time two fighters were 100% equal was 17 vs Piccolo, and not only was it implied that old Big Green would have eventually lost due to 17's infinite energy generator, but the only reason narratively that the fight even went on like that is so that Cell could find them.

But with so many fighters on the heroes side, and 12 universes to choose from, there's bound to be a few relative weaklings that Roshi and Krillin can fight against. I just don't think he's gonna be fair enough to put them up against Roshi and Krillin.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#48759: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:29:54 PM

Today in Super, we find out who put the Hit out on Goku.

It was Goku himself. He asked Whis who asked Vados who told Hit.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48760: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:36:32 PM

The question wasn't whether it can be justified

If it was, the answer is: fuck no.

It's wrong to let kids fight? Anything that could remotely threaten those two is a guaranteed death sentence for the humans.

They're idiots? Majin Boo is on the team. Sure, Majin Boo is much stronger, but he's just as liable to make a dumb mistake. And they're far, far stronger than the humans, so if any dumb mistake they could make (despite their massive power advantage) could harm the team, Boo is just as liable of making the same sort of mistake.

[up][up][up] At which point, don't bring Roshi and let literally anyone else solo the tournament.

This tournament would have to have some really friggin weird rules to make sense of Roshi and Ten coming. Like, to the level of not really being a tournament and being more like a team-based puzzle challenge.

[up] that's actually funny

edited 24th Dec '16 6:36:53 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48761: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:38:11 PM

...

Well, not the culprit I was expecting.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#48762: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:42:14 PM

Culprit = mis-communication?

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#48763: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:48:29 PM

Maybe Roshi and Tenshinhan are stronger than Goten and Trunks through unexplained means that never will be explained because screw you?

Toriyama: "I don't have to tell you everything. I don't have to tell you anything!"

Super watchers: "And that basically sums up our time here."

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48764: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:51:46 PM

[up]

That I doubt. I don't understand his reasons, nor will I, but nonetheless, he's put Roshi (and to a lesser extent, Tien) on the team, so that's that.

To be fair, Tien does nothing but train, so he's probably maintain his strength level of Weaker then everyone but Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Roshi.

Plus, there still ways for both to potentially get stronger: More training with King Kai, and Old Kai's Hidden Power releasing ceremony. Not that we know how much they can even improve.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48765: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:54:05 PM

Well, Roshi wasn't given any justification for how he was keeping up (more or less, he was more fatigued) with Kuririn and Ten in Resurrection F. That I'm not surprised about.

I am fairly sure the question won't come up, and they'll be as strong as they need to be for whatever is planned.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48766: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:54:45 PM

Well... At least he has good taste in assassins?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48767: Dec 24th 2016 at 6:58:50 PM

He already knew the guy was good.

It does explain why he knew Hit was coming.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#48768: Dec 24th 2016 at 7:01:15 PM

sigh

Well, at least we saw some really interesting moves from Hit. It's really cool to see ki being used in ways beyond just blasting the crap out of things.

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#48770: Dec 24th 2016 at 7:30:48 PM

Hit's Time Skips are literally King Crimson style Time skips and not Time stops.

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#48771: Dec 24th 2016 at 7:38:30 PM

I kek'd

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48772: Dec 24th 2016 at 7:41:28 PM

[up][up] Wouldn't that contradict how they were animated/shown in the tournament?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48773: Dec 24th 2016 at 7:56:38 PM

It's wrong to let kids fight? Anything that could remotely threaten those two is a guaranteed death sentence for the humans.

I mean. What about psychological shit?

They're both relatively sheltered compared to most of the adults, even after the clusterfuck that was Buu. They might get PTSD, or have a PTSD attack from Buu, or crack under the pressure of their entire universe being at stake.

Like, some kids have had breakdowns over messing up at a recital. Because they're young, and don't have much life experience. Which makes prioritizing and weighing consequences tricky.

Like, yeah, Saiyan babies conquer planets, but according to Gine that's dangerous, and not all infiltrator babies survive, and more to the point, they don't do it all in a day.

Also, Trunks and Goten are only half-Saiyan, and have been raised in human society with human cultural norms, on Earth. Their lives have been mostly peaceful, except for the incident involving the pink bubblegum monster who still lives with them.

The first, last, and only time they were relied upon by Goku to save the day, they literally ended up making things worse because of the fact that they're dumb kids.

Twice in a row, even.

At least Buu has a track record of being effective some of the time.

Granted, that's only been when he's been their enemy trying to kill them, but. Still. Theoretically.

edited 24th Dec '16 8:04:27 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48774: Dec 24th 2016 at 8:03:58 PM

They're not human, though. Saiyans appear to be incapable of being mentally traumatized and, while they're not bloodthirsty, Goten, Trunks and even Gohan appear to have obtained the impossibly high levels of mental resilience that allows Goku and Vegeta to shrug off traumatic events.

Goten and Trunks even easily bounced back from learning their entire families were dead. Sure, it solidified their resolve to kill Super Buu... but they still screwed around instead of attacking in a blind rage.

So, yeah, Goten and Trunks getting PTSD? A ridiculous prospect. They just don't give a shit.

edited 24th Dec '16 8:07:59 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48775: Dec 24th 2016 at 8:05:16 PM

I distinctly remember Goten and Trunks crying a lot when they found out their moms died.

And then they fought Buu again and fucked up. Badly.

Then they fused again and got absorbed.

Then their dads left them to die.

And they're half-human.

edited 24th Dec '16 8:05:46 PM by unnoun


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