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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#48701: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:52:59 PM

Like others have said, Goku Black is awesome while Zamasu is only alright. Their only real issues are their motivations but do Dragon Ball villains ever have good motivation?

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#48702: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:55:42 PM

But I thought she mentioned that they wouldn't officially let her on the force because she was still a minor, and she wasn't too worried about her grades because cops don't need all-As.

She may have been planning on law enforcement as a career before she met Gohan and decided to become a housewife (*insert comment about how sexist Toriyama is toward women here*).

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48703: Dec 22nd 2016 at 1:00:37 PM

I mean.

There are female police in Japan? Some of them with families?

I just.

Like, I'm so confused about not just Videl not being a cop, but also Krillin being one.

They devoted like. Five minutes. In Resurrection F. To Krillin being a cop.

He's had. Like. A whole episode in Super about it? Sorta?

But it in no way follows or relates to his personality or ambitions up to that point.

edited 22nd Dec '16 1:02:02 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48704: Dec 22nd 2016 at 1:08:12 PM

Well, with the exception of Bulma, none of the ladies have had much of a role beyond their initial appearance and then suddenly Housewife.

I reckon once Toriyama had her serve as Spopovitch's punching bag, he was done with her beyond marries Gohan, so he didn't think much of it.

Hell, only now is 18 actually getting to fight seriously again (though she never cared about fighting the way Videl did).

As for Krillin being a cop...same thing. He probably just decided Krillin would be a cop because he could.

It definitely makes more sense for Videl in terms of character (though Krillin is so ridiculously strong there's nothing that can really threaten him).

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48705: Dec 22nd 2016 at 1:15:52 PM

Like others have said, Goku Black is awesome while Zamasu is only alright. Their only real issues are their motivations but do Dragon Ball villains ever have good motivation?

What counts as a good villain motivation for you?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#48706: Dec 22nd 2016 at 1:30:22 PM

[up]Well I'm not implying that any of them are bad per se, just that they tend to be fairly standard. A good motivation would be one where the villain has an in-depth back story that explains why they are the way they are but that's not always needed, hence why I don't hold it against Zamasu and Black.

edited 22nd Dec '16 1:31:41 PM by LordVatek

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48707: Dec 22nd 2016 at 1:32:27 PM

Rule the world, destroy the world, kill everyone everywhere.

That more or less covers it I believe for motivations.

Oh. Become immortal tends to get in there too.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48708: Dec 22nd 2016 at 1:33:36 PM

I mean.

Beerus just wanted pudding.

And to fight a Super Saiyan God.

edited 22nd Dec '16 1:34:19 PM by unnoun

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#48709: Dec 22nd 2016 at 1:39:21 PM

And, as of Super, was implied to not merely use 70% of his full power like in the movie, but only a meager 10%.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48710: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:10:33 PM

Which, doesn't make much sense seeing as how Goku's Super Saiyan form absorbed all the power of God, to the point where Goku flat out says that he didn't feel his power decrease at all when he powered down to that state. And then he destroyed one of Beerus' attacks in his base state, which he was struggling against as a Super Saiyan.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48711: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:42:14 PM

Zamasu was a fine villain, but Black was defintely the more interesting of the two. It did help that he had a more direct effect on things overall.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#48712: Dec 22nd 2016 at 4:06:48 PM

Zamasu talked a big game. Black brought the action. They worked well as a duo.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48713: Dec 22nd 2016 at 4:13:13 PM

Zamasu and Black can only ever make me think of them sitting around and watching TV while going "yeah I'll destroy humans tomorrow, Jay Leno's on, and I have to see which of this woman's sons porked her dog!"

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#48714: Dec 22nd 2016 at 4:20:25 PM

That's very peculiar...but interesting.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48715: Dec 22nd 2016 at 4:41:39 PM

Hey. They walked the walk and talked the talk.

They said they were gonna kill all humans, and damned if they didn't pull it off.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48716: Dec 22nd 2016 at 4:44:10 PM

They missed Mai.

EDIT: I mean, I guess they did kill her. It just didn't stick.

edited 22nd Dec '16 4:45:11 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48717: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:07:40 PM

They had all the time in the universe tho.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#48718: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:08:20 PM

Majin Buu killed nearly everyone in a couple of minutes.

Those two clowns took a whole year.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48719: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:15:48 PM

Majin Buu's Human Genocide could've taken all of half an instant if he didn't have a reason to keep the planet in place.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#48720: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:21:01 PM

True, and I know Zamasu and Black likely could've just nuked the entire planet, only problem with that was they weren't entertaining enough to warrant their screen time...there were moments where they were relaxing on a patio. Instead of enacting their plan. Just drinking tea.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48721: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:32:47 PM

That's because they're immortal so they don't give a shit.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48722: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:58:59 PM

Also, they were specifically focusing on humans.

They wanted to leave nature in tact.

I too found it odd it was taking them so long and assumed Black was just being an asshole about it until that little detail was brought up a few times.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48723: Dec 22nd 2016 at 6:16:22 PM

So rereading the Frieza fight, in Volume 4 of the Dragon Ball Full Color Frieza Arc.

Krillin says "With my power I could never..." when Vegeta asks him to almost kill him.

Vegeta says "Don't worry! I'll lower my power to the minimum."

So.

My question is, how much would Beerus have to lower his power to get hurt by someone other than Whis? Because based on the fact that Vegeta made Beerus spit blood. That puts Vegeta's enraged maximum somewhere above Beerus's absolute minimum.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48724: Dec 22nd 2016 at 6:30:57 PM

[up][up]It should take a couple of seconds for them to target every single human and do a Super Buu.

They're taking their time because there's literally zero reason to hurry.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48725: Dec 22nd 2016 at 6:31:57 PM

So I thought Goku Black wasn't immortal.


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