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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#48676: Dec 21st 2016 at 5:41:07 PM

He had deliveries to make, deadlines to meet, the works.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48677: Dec 21st 2016 at 5:58:13 PM

Beerus says he's not there, so he's not.

One Strip! One Strip!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#48678: Dec 21st 2016 at 6:53:20 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if it never came up.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#48679: Dec 21st 2016 at 7:53:14 PM

I'm imagining that Goku flat out forget about his existence.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48680: Dec 22nd 2016 at 3:36:59 AM

We know The Mind Is a Plaything of the Body. As such, if the Goku in Zamasu's body survived, how might his personality have been affected by that body?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48681: Dec 22nd 2016 at 4:13:41 AM

So why didn't Zamasu wish to get Zeno's body?

The Super Dragon Balls supposedly have no limit, so he probably could have.

Also: I ship it.

edited 22nd Dec '16 5:00:12 AM by unnoun

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#48682: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:27:49 AM

Maybe Zamasu didn't know Zeno existed. Shin didn't know until the tournament, and Zamasu never became an official Kaioshin. Otherwise the super dragon balls may not work against Zeno.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48683: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:44:26 AM

Anybody watch Dragon Ball Dissection by Mistare Fusion? I love the guy.

I find him often obnoxious and think that the way he frames his arguments in those videos can be very inaccurate and manipulative, so I ended up quitting his videos in frustration even though I was interested in the premise.

@Soble Few points:

That contradicts what he says here

Super contradicting itself? What a shock! But even then, the fact that Vegeta sees improvement doesn't mean that he's wrong about not making BIG improvements any more.

Kaioken hasn't been a thing since the Frieza arc. That didn't mean Goku couldn't use it anymore. There's no reason to assume that their species's biological ability has simply stopped working when we've seen it work for Cell.

Those are completely separate things, it's absurd that you tried to compare them. Goku chooses not to use Kaio-ken.

Goku and Vegeta can't choose not to get zenkai. And yet, we see them get the ever loving shit beaten out of them after the Freeza arc and show no improvements after recovering. You can't even say that they might have improved without it being mentioned, because the biggest beatdowns for those characters (Goku vs 19, Vegeta vs 18, Gohan vs Fat Boo) are followed up with statements showing they are the same strength after recovering. And then we've got the guidebooks outright pointing out that they stopped happening, as if seeing it not happening wasn't enough.

There's no comparison between SS 2 Goku and Cell Saga SS 2 Gohan, and Vegeta didn't need to unlock SS 3 because Blue was better. Goku hasn't used SS 3 since his spar with Trunks, so Vegeta not unlocking it speaks to its inferiority rather than Vegeta's inability to obtain it through regular training. He did obtain SS 2 through regular training.

You... completely misunderstood that. I was talking about BOO ARC Goku and Vegeta, hence why I was talking about the improvements they made over that period.

In the Boo arc, it is established that SS2 Goku is not much stronger than SS2 Gohan from the Cell Games. SS2 Vegeta doesn't surpass Cell Games Gohan until he gets the Majin power-up.

For seven years of training, they did not improve dramatically. The real improvements came from the new transformations they obtained.

Now, as for your argument on how they didn't show improvements during the U6 arc because they had no challenge - that effectively turns your argument into saying that Vegeta beating Black makes sense if you just assume they made improvements that went unmentioned and unshown previously.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48684: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:48:46 AM

I mean. The zenkai gains might be so minor as to not even be worth mentioning.

Like. One point. Or five.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#48685: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:50:22 AM

Which would still make it weird for Vegeta to get a large one way down the track with it never being mentioned ever

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#48686: Dec 22nd 2016 at 5:56:42 AM

Vegeta's power-up against Black isn't attributed to a Zenkai, though. It's attributed to Vegeta's Saiyan rage making his training more effective.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48687: Dec 22nd 2016 at 6:01:44 AM

I mean.

Goku was having a heart virus thing against 19. His body wasn't operating at peak efficiency. I could buy the Zenkai not working as well.

With Vegeta and 18. Like, the thing is that all she did was break his arm. The last Zenkai Vegeta got was from Krillin blowing a hole in his chest.

I could see Zenkai almost working like drugs. The body builds up a tolerance. You need more and more of a hit in order to get the same result.

It'd be tough for Vegeta to get closer to death than the time he didn't have a heart or lungs anymore.

Also: What if Beerus discovered cable.

...The title of that post should be "I can't believe it's not Burter"

edited 22nd Dec '16 6:10:25 AM by unnoun

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#48688: Dec 22nd 2016 at 9:08:19 AM

How strong Is monaka anyway?

I'd say he's only saiyan saga level.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#48689: Dec 22nd 2016 at 9:14:27 AM

I think Monaka's about as strong as Farmer With Shotgun.

I hope Roshi uses the Bankoku Bikkuri Shō at some point during the tournament.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#48690: Dec 22nd 2016 at 9:18:12 AM

Oh come on, he's not that weak.

He's probably still stronger then Satan by the mere fact that he's of a tougher biology then a human.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#48691: Dec 22nd 2016 at 9:46:45 AM

Speaking of Zamasu, do you guys think Zamasu is a better villain than we thought?

"Mai waifu."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#48692: Dec 22nd 2016 at 10:01:45 AM

I've always thought Zamasu was a great villain.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#48693: Dec 22nd 2016 at 10:53:07 AM

I didn't care for Zamasu. He wore out his welcome fast.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#48694: Dec 22nd 2016 at 11:04:51 AM

Zamasu is one of the most complex characters in Dragon Ball but I cannot pinpoint why his story seemed lackluster to me. I am not sure its the execution and the story beats.

"Mai waifu."
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#48695: Dec 22nd 2016 at 11:17:47 AM

[up]For me, all the Zamasus, timelines, time rings, and so on made the whole story much too confusing to follow. It reminds me of when I first saw the Cell saga.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48696: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:42:12 PM

...Wasn't Videl specifically mentioned to be a vigilante working/interning with the police because she wanted to be a detective?

Like. It's been a while since I've seen the Buu Saga or read the Great Saiyaman part of the manga, but. I'm pretty sure that was a thing.

Like.

Why did Krillin end up becoming a cop and not her? Just. From a strictly character-based, storytelling perspective. It. Well, it makes no sense.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48697: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:45:37 PM

Zamasu is a fine villain, but the Goku Black version is his most interesting one.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48698: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:46:25 PM

I like Goku Black a lot.

Zamasu is. Okay?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#48699: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:46:35 PM

No. She wasn't really being a cop.

She was just randomly helping out because her dad is the hero who beat Cell, and she felt it was her responsibility.

Dragon ball being the kind of series it is, the Police let her help them out because she's stronger then all of them and more useful.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#48700: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:51:33 PM

But like. She literally had a direct phone line with the police chief? And I seem to recall her mentioning being suspicious of Gohan because she wanted to be a detective?

And I thought she mentioned that they wouldn't officially let her on the force because she was still a minor, and she wasn't too worried about her grades because cops don't need all-As.

...Again, a lot of that's probably from the anime, and the dub at that. And I may be misremembering.

edited 22nd Dec '16 12:55:06 PM by unnoun


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