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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48126: Dec 14th 2016 at 11:23:22 AM

To be fair, it's not the first time.

Goku looked physically the same for years until the Piccolo Jr arc.

I guess they're just abusing the same situation to keep them looking young.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#48127: Dec 14th 2016 at 11:27:39 AM

Don't tease me by making Gohan look relevant.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#48128: Dec 14th 2016 at 11:33:46 AM

Wait Marron is only two years younger than Pan and Bra were during GT?

What the heck man?

edited 14th Dec '16 11:36:00 AM by LordVatek

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#48129: Dec 14th 2016 at 11:39:50 AM

Probably the same answer to, "Why did Bra look twice her age in GT?"

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48130: Dec 14th 2016 at 11:56:27 AM

Because girls look older than they should in real life thanks to outfits that they shouldn't be wearing. Bra could just be freakishly tall for her age with an incredibly age inappropriate outfit (because she's Bulma's kid, and given the trend in Dragon Ball of the children doing the things their parents did at a far earlier age, we're lucky Bra wasn't wearing a playboy bunny outfit in GT).

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zsmg Since: Jul, 2011
#48131: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:18:12 PM

Is this the part where I get super excited about these irrelevant or non appearing characters will do something cool in the next arc. Only to be super disappointed when the actual arc comes around as they'll will all step aside so that Goku and Vegeta can shine?

As for the ages of the kid characters, it says a lot that Trunks is the same age as his future counterpart when Future Gohan died and that Goten is older than Gohan during the Cell Games and yes this includes the extra year Gohan picked up in the spirit room.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48132: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:26:53 PM

Probably because it's cheaper for Toei to just use the same models they've always had rather than make newer ones, logic be damned. It would explain why Goku and Vegeta's new outfits from Resurrection F haven't been featured at all outside of the adaptation for that arc and the Universe 6 tournament.

Yay for cutting costs.

Is this the part where I get super excited about these irrelevant or non appearing characters will do something cool in the next arc. Only to be super disappointed when the actual arc comes around as they'll will all step aside so that Goku and Vegeta can shine?

Or the alternative; the irrelevant characters are suddenly more competent than they should be with no real explanation to justify their presence and ignoring even more of the series` internal logic.

edited 14th Dec '16 12:28:10 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#48133: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:29:38 PM

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The latter part of your first paragraph, most likely.

Also, good to see Gohan's muscles are back.

Oh and Android 17. About time he's come back. I'm hoping, no, begging, that it isn't all for naught.

edited 14th Dec '16 12:29:44 PM by hardcorefakes

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#48134: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:30:48 PM

If they were 3d Models that'd be an explanation, but this is drawn art, and more importantly, you can tell that it's a bunch of different studios and teams doing Super, so... yeah, they're probably not saving anything by keeping Goten and Trunks young except maybe the fee to get Toriyama to come up with a design for them aged up but not end of z Age.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48135: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:34:44 PM

Well yea, that's the point; they'd have to have Toriyama to actually make up designs for their older selves. So why go through the trouble of all of that when they can just reuse the same designs they'd have for years?

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#48136: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:38:04 PM

C'mon...how hard is it to come up with a slightly older Goten and Trunks?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#48137: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:39:37 PM

And I just screamed with joy at the announcement of the new arc.

Dubbed Super in January, and new arc in February. 2017 already looks like it's gonna be better than 2016.

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#48138: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:40:20 PM

Super changed the gap between Z and Battle of Gods to two months. It's been like a year, at most.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#48139: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:46:30 PM

So nobody has aged yet...

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#48140: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:46:50 PM

Pan is born. It's been at least five years.

edited 14th Dec '16 12:47:00 PM by LordVatek

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#48141: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:55:06 PM

The epilogue isn't canon. Pan was born much earlier than she was before. She's now less than a year younger than Uub.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48142: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:03:42 PM

I'm pretty sure that Epilogue is still canon.

As for what the new characters do, I know people hated Trunks being able to keep pace with God Goku and Vegeta (since Super Saiyan 2 shouldn't have been good enough), but I'm hoping they come up with a good way to have the others be useful in this arc.

There's not much point in having so many characters if they are just going to have Goku and Vegeta do everything.

I'm pretty curious as to what they have planned, especially since not only 18, but 17 are joining the party this time. Depending on how things go, this might be the first time we see villains have to deal with two opponents who don't have Ki to sense, and don't get tired.

I'm gonna keep an open mind. There were a lot of mistakes in the Trunks arc (where did those new abilities even come from? You could have easily explained it Toei!), but I'm hoping this will provide some interesting interaction between characters, and let us see some other good fights.

I'm assuming Krillin and 18 will need to find a Babysitter.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48143: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:21:40 PM

Rob, you keep mentioning that same point and we keep giving you the same answers; how long are you going to keep going on about how everyone but Goku and Vegeta are shafted before you get bored?

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#48144: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:23:47 PM

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Wait, are you saying Super hasn't been the Goku and Vegeta show?

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#48145: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:24:38 PM

At this point I no longer care if it is.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48146: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:26:19 PM

I'm saying hearing these complaints has gotten tiresome because it feels like a broken record. Sometimes I wanna talk about Dragon Ball without someone complaining about that particular subject and this has been going on for years.

People are entitled to their opinions and how they feel about something, but that doesn't mean I like reading the same things over and over and over and over. I know complaining about complaining is just as bad, but I really had to put that out there.

edited 14th Dec '16 1:27:59 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48147: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:28:53 PM

While I agree with Yakuza that it's gotten annoying at this point, this time Rob was doing more than that.

Oh, and "complaining about complaining is just as bad" has never made sense to me. I don't see the point of taken what bothers someone into consideration if they clearly don't care about what bothers you (within reason, obviously).

edited 14th Dec '16 1:30:25 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#48148: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:38:39 PM

Well, my ongoing quest to not be a broken record continues.tongue

Though I suppose they didn't really save the day in this last arc....nor did they do so in the Frieza arc (at least not before Frieza actually did destroy the world).

...And Goku actually lost to Beerus....

....Man. I really let my own biases cloud my judgement.

Anyway, for me, the real issue is what they plan to do with the other characters. As many have pointed out, any opponent that Krillin could beat is someone that Goku will annihilate in seconds. Right now, with Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo around, you have more then enough power to handle damn near any enemy in this Space Survival Arc.

So the real issue is what the others will bring to the table. 17 and 18's infinite stamina and lack of Ki to sense; Tien's Tri-Beam (which has been shown to be able to at least slow down characters much stronger then himself), and I guess Krillin has the Kienzan.

What will these guys be able to do during this little adventure, and will the narrative actually make use of it? That's my question.

A lot of people just think they'll be either be beaten down as per usual to show the situation is bad, or they'll make them keep up when they definitely should not. It was barely acceptable with Trunks (or not at all for some) so there's no way there's gonna convince anyone that Krillin can save the day and beat a foe that Goku couldn't.

So they have to really think about what these guys are going to do, and more importantly, what the abilities of their enemies are.

I'm assuming this arc was one of the ones Toriyama gave loose notes on, and he knows the characters best, so I'm hoping he came up with some good stuff.

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#48149: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:41:52 PM

Speculation won't be very interesting when all we have is a team shot.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48150: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:45:27 PM

[up][up][up] It depends on the subject that's being contested; if someone has legit grievances with something but you don't care and voice that opinion, the latter is usually in the wrong since they are not contributing a rebuttal beyond being dismissive and are generally told "if you don't care, then don't post and go somewhere else".

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