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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#48076: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:07:39 PM

@Psycho: I tend to see Broly as somewhere around Perfect Cell's level, maybe a bit stronger, so I have no idea why so many people paint him as the toughest guy around.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48077: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:09:52 PM

There's no reason for him to even be that strong, which makes it even more baffling.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48078: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:11:18 PM

Besides the fact that he basically has Ultra Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2 2.0.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#48079: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:15:04 PM

"Ascended Super Saiyan Fast", as I call it. Broly can actually dodge shit.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#48080: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:15:10 PM

He'd be stronger than PC...if people want to stick to his thing being during the 10 days restoration period.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#48081: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:15:30 PM

I know of one headcanon that has Broly's forms as just the same form Trunks achieved, but, due to Broly's build, with a long torso and limbs, he doesn't suffer from the massive loss of speed, as his body can deal with the increase in muscle mass.

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#48082: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:39:38 PM

[up][up]The Broly Movie doesn't care about powerlevels and doesn't make any sense.

Goku has a better showing in that fight than Gohan does, even though if this is the 10 days inbetween Training and Cell Games, Gohan should be so much stronger than Goku that he'd think Goku's toying with Broly instead of fighting for realsies.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48083: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:43:30 PM

[up]This.

It's supposed to be an in between the Cell Games thing, but the way the fight actually goes that doesn't make any sense.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48084: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:46:49 PM

Maybe because if Broly was as strong as Perfect Cell, then he'd logically destroy everyone. Again, we've established that Cell never used his full power until Gohan became a Super Saiyan 2 hopped up on cold fury. We have no idea how well Super Saiyan Gohan would have done against Cell if he actually used his full power, but Gohan might have been in a hell of a lot more trouble than he was in the actual fight.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48085: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:49:47 PM

Goku, took into account the power Cell must have been holding back and still didn't think he'd be a problem for a serious Gohan.

I can buy Super Perfect Cell beating Super Saiyan 1 Gohan, but the it's pretty clear that Gohan>Perfect Cell is supposed to be true even without him going Super Saiyan 2.

edited 13th Dec '16 5:50:06 PM by LSBK

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#48086: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:52:47 PM

Except again, Cell never uses his full power until Super Saiyan 2 happens, and Goku even says he underestimated how much power Cell actually had.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48087: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:55:32 PM

Doesn't matter. I don't recall Goku ever taking back his assessment. Goku was never banking on Gohan going Super Saiyan 2.

But, again, none of this makes any sense in regards to Broly, and that's the only thing that does matter.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#48088: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:57:11 PM

...I feel like we've been here before.

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#48089: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:58:05 PM

I've seen people make the argument that Goku in the Broly movie is supposed to be using only 50% of his power, because at that point in the series, Goku had only shown 50% of his power to Korin. It was a retarded-ass explanation, to justify Perfect Cell being leagues more powerful than Broly, but it shows that there are idiots on both sides of the Broly spectrum.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48090: Dec 13th 2016 at 5:58:07 PM

It's an old debate given a new cover.

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#48091: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:14:35 PM

Also, neither Goku nor Gohan were relying on Gohan to defeat Cell all by himself, as a vanilla Super Saiyan 1. They were both relying on Gohan's rage boost to do the job, heavily implying that Gohan was weaker than Cell in Super Saiyan 1.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48092: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:21:06 PM

How does it imply that? Expecting him to "rage boost" doesn't mean either of them were expecting him to go to an entirely new Super Saiyan form. It implies they remembered what's happened with him over and over again, and that when he stops holding back, he wins.

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#48093: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:28:18 PM

Rage boost =/= stop holding back. Gohan can be using 100% of his power, but rage boosts tap into some of his hidden potential, powering him up beyond 100%.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48094: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:31:09 PM

I don't recall it ever being treated that way. "Hidden power" implies the power is already there, he just can't use it normally, but that's not what Super Saiyan is. Super Saiyan forms don't draw out more power, they (somehow) multiply existing power.

edited 13th Dec '16 6:33:56 PM by LSBK

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#48095: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:33:08 PM

Except it's not him holding back, just as much as the Guru boost wasn't him holding back less, or the potential unlock from Elder Kai wasn't him deciding to finally go all out.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48096: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:35:07 PM

Except it is. Again, he doesn't have to be conscious of it or in control for it to be a thing.

He never was before; are we assuming his previous rage freakouts were him going "mini-Super Saiyan" or something?

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#48097: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:38:58 PM

You're arguing that untrained 4-year-old Gohan's full Power Level was 1,307, and he was just holding back when he was at a 1.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48098: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:41:34 PM

Um, yes, because there was never anything implying that wasn't the case. Again, "holding back" doesn't mean he was making a conscious effort to do it.

Gohan always had a very large reservoir of power he normally couldn't tap into unless he got super pissed off.

Compare that to the Super Saiyan forms, which isn't a reservoir so much as making a bunch of power appear out of nowhere and adding it to the lake.

I never realized this was a debated topic. Like, again, were you assuming all the times this happened before he was using some sort of makeshift Kaioken without knowing it, instead of tapping into power that was already there? Because they always described it like the latter.

edited 13th Dec '16 6:46:00 PM by LSBK

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#48099: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:46:07 PM

That 'reservoir of power' is his hidden potential. It does not represent 100% of his available power, and it does not have anything to do with Super Saiyan (until it manifested as Super Saiyan 2), nor is anyone claiming that it is.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#48100: Dec 13th 2016 at 6:47:52 PM

Then I think this is a game of semantics and you are defining "full potential" differently than I am. I could argue why describing it that way sounds off, but I won't.

My apologies if that sounds passive aggressive or condescending.

edited 13th Dec '16 6:50:03 PM by LSBK


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