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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47926: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:35:10 PM

Well, it seems to start after Yamcha dies to the Saibaman so it's completely pointless. By that point, you're either a Saiyan or your worthless. Even Piccolo was a detriment in the Android Saga (if he hadn't fused with Kami and then fought Lapis, Cell wouldn't have been able to find them. Vegeta and Trunks come out of the Time Chamber and then things are up in the air depending upon the details of a few changed events).

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47927: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:35:13 PM

Personally, I never got why people took stuff like this seriously either way. You shouldn't be taking this as some sign that Yamcha's going to suddenly become relevant to the greater story but I also don't get people who feel the need to go "this doesn't really count/is just filler".

And by that I don't just mean mentioning your opinion but the compulsive need to mention it when someone else enjoys it. It's just being a dick at that point.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47928: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:37:00 PM

I think they were just talking about running speed...

Nobody in this series runs anywhere...

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47929: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:37:25 PM

Because it's going to be taken as evidence of Yamcha's badassery and that's just going to annoy me later on down the line. I'm just trying to nip this in the bud here as much as I can.

The episode is probably perfectly enjoyable, just don't take it seriously.

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#47930: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:39:07 PM

[up] Just read it, actually.

it takes place when Yamcha first appears as a desert bandit.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47931: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:39:09 PM

[up][up]And that's just raining on some people's parade unnecessarily. I don't think anyone here has actually stated anything to the effect of "Maybe Yamcha can participate in the next super important battle because of this!"

You're trying to nip something in the bud that, at least here, isn't going to be a problem in the first place. I can't say anything about anywhere else.

edited 11th Dec '16 5:40:53 PM by LSBK

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47932: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:40:08 PM

Well, the spin-off manga has the guy in Yamcha going with Goku to Roshi's place, instead of going back to the city with Bulma and Oolong, meaning he gets the same training Goku and Krillin got. The Saibamen thing has him take on all of them, which leads to him both punching the head off of one of them, but also tanking all of them blowing up in his face. The last panel is of him on Namek, asking Guru to have his potential unlocked like Krillin and Gohan did.

edited 11th Dec '16 5:40:59 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47933: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:43:13 PM

Yamcha's spin-off will probably end with his death pose I bet.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47934: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:54:02 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47935: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:55:07 PM

[up] Again, there's that acting like a dick thing.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47936: Dec 11th 2016 at 5:56:52 PM

[up][up]And when people here start acting like this has serious implications for stuff outside of this episode, that'll be appropriate to point out. Until then, it's unnecessary and kind of obnoxious.

It's taking this too seriously because you expect other people to do so.

edited 11th Dec '16 6:00:15 PM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47937: Dec 11th 2016 at 6:10:28 PM

How is it taking too seriously? I'm just pointing out that it's plot convenience, dood, and Rob shouldn't get too excited about skill beating power because it only happened due to filler crack bending the rules. The episode can only happen because of the Rule of Funny, I didn't even comment on whether it was good or not, just pointing a simple fact out.

It is a fun episode, and it's indicative of the tone of Super in general. I'm not exactly complaining that it decided "fuck powerlevels" just to have fun, but I'm also not forgetting that it did decide "fuck powerlevels" in order to have said fun.

edited 11th Dec '16 6:13:15 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#47938: Dec 11th 2016 at 6:11:33 PM

So apparently there's an official spin off of Dragon Ball where a normal japanese kids self-inserts into the series and becomes Yamcha.

I think I found PMC's fanfic. tongue

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47939: Dec 11th 2016 at 6:13:03 PM

[up][up]If and when Pushover/Rob start talking about this as an indication of Yamcha/Tien/any other irrelevant character can contribute via "skill", you'd have a point. Until then it's just you keep them from enjoying something without actually admitting it.

But I very much doubt that Rob actually think that an episode throwing Yamcha a bone (while also making funny of him, apparently) actually means, what you're implying.

edited 11th Dec '16 6:14:07 PM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47940: Dec 11th 2016 at 6:14:28 PM

This is standard interaction with Rob tho.

So far, it seems you're making it a far bigger deal than either of them did.

edited 11th Dec '16 6:15:16 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#47941: Dec 11th 2016 at 6:52:23 PM

[up]

I don't think he'll be relevant alright.

I never even should have brought it up. It was a mistake.

So lets just stop.

Cause no I don't even want to do this anymore.

I'm serious. I don't want the next post to be any kind of reaction to this post at all. We're ending it here. It's done. Forget it. Over. Finished.

I thought it was kinda cool. I didn't think there'd be any need to nip anything in the bud. Shit.

So again, no need to talk about it anymore. I'm 100% serious that I do not want to see anything more on this. I'm sorry I even tried to say anything.

So. Hit comes back next week. How do you think he crossed into Universe 7? He'd need the help of a God of Destruction or an Angel wouldn't he?

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#47942: Dec 11th 2016 at 6:53:44 PM

I choose to believe that Yamcha wasn't bluffing when he called out Vegeta as the pitcher with the bat, and that Yamcha is just so ludicrously good at baseball, it overshadows the Power Level discrepancy.

@the Yamcha spin-off: eh. Not too excited about it actually. I like Yamcha because of his personality: an awkward martial arts nerd who was a bandit and 'cool' anti-villain for a time, until he becomes a good guy. Someone who tries to help even through his relative failures as a fighter until he decides to retire from fighting and live as a productive member of society, putting his incredible power to use as a pro baseball player. This isn't "Yamcha becomes the best in the universe", this is "shitty fanfic premise of Dragon Ball fan possessing the body of a Dragon Ball character to turn them into the best in the universe, despite being in the body of Yamcha, the Memetic Loser of the cast."

edited 11th Dec '16 6:56:01 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47943: Dec 11th 2016 at 6:57:04 PM

[up][up]Don't be sorry, dood. Your overreactions is why we like you in the first place.

[up]I feel that it actually cheapens the character if you just make him the best at everything instead of a constant failure - we did go over this when we were discussing Trunks' role in Super, and how the plot bending over backwards to give him relevance and power went completely against his original treatment - the reason why he was an actually compelling character instead of being a Mary Sue.

He went from "Has the Mary Sue traits, but the plot isn't bending over backwards to make him important or relevant or victorious" to "Has the Mary Sue traits and the plot is bending over backwards to make him important, relevant and victorious".

Basically, Yamcha is a lot more compelling because he is a weakling that is still trying (well, comparatively a weakling - dood is probably a Planet Buster, he'd probably still wreck a large amount of other fictional fighters both in terms of skill and raw power) to fight and help and be relevant. For all that we joke and laugh about how much of a joke he is... that, in itself, is testament to his being a likable character instead of a bad, unlikable one.

If people didn't like him for being the failure that he is, we wouldn't have fanart of him - he'd just be ignored entirely by the fans, or outright bashed.

edited 11th Dec '16 6:59:51 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47944: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:02:46 PM

Relevant as in power prominence...

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47945: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:06:17 PM

Any 'character goes to fictional universe they're a fan of' plot tends to inevitably result in them becoming a Mary Sue with the flimsy justification that weapons grade Genre Savvy alone is enough to succeed where everyone in-universe failed, with one notable exception: that one acclaimed One Piece fanfiction that does exactly that, but deconstructs the cliche brutally.

I do disagree about the Trunks thing, since he doesn't possess any Marty Stu traits since all of them were purely superficial, and established in a previous arc.

edited 11th Dec '16 7:10:27 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#47946: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:08:24 PM

So. Hit comes back next week. How do you think he crossed into Universe 7? He'd need the help of a God of Destruction or an Angel wouldn't he?

I've seen speculation that it's actually the Universe 7 counterpart of Hit or just someone who looks like him. Not sure if I buy that, but it sounds plausible.

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#47947: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:09:09 PM

I don't see any harm in just assuming that Yamcha is Baseball God, on par with Goku and Vegeta in all matters baseball, since it's only going to be relevant in filler episodes such as these.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#47948: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:09:33 PM

[up]X6

So I used to lurk on the Serebii.Net forums.

...Stay with me. This has a point.

Diamond and Pearl Arc. Lucario and it's pre-evolution Riolu are a big thing. Due the Advanced Generation Movie that starred Lucario earlier (and the revelation that Ash could use Aura) many expected him to catch a Riolu.

There were multiple threads about it. Soon, people started getting sick of it. If the ones who wanted him to get a Riolu were Auraholics, then the ones who came to hate Riolu because of his fans are what could be called Anti Auraholics.

At first I got it; they got sick of the same old posts and moved to do something about it. But this is the internet. It's never that simple. After a while the anti faction wasn't just showing up in threads about Ash catching a Riolu. They started nipping things in the bud and entering any thread that was connected to the aura pokemon even a tiny bit, in order to head off the Auraholics.

Soon, I got the impression that you couldn't even talk about Riolu or Lucario without incurring the wrath of the anti faction. They'd become as bad as the enemy they were fighting. It was a long time ago however, so I might be misremembering it. It predates the time where I started actively becoming part of fandoms, and was still just hanging out on the periphery.

Now, I see you IANCE, rising up to shut down things about Yamcha being cool with technique, and I freak out a little thinking Oh shit! this is happening here now!.

Obviously an bit of an overreaction on my part. I missed you saying that you knew I knew you were just joking around.

I'm more worried that others will take your joking around too seriously and start using this to crush certain paths of conversation they don't like. Hell, I'm not above admitting that I'm capable of the same thing if I thought I could get away with it and it pissed me off just enough.

I just assumed no one would try and shut this topic down since it was mostly a joke episode anyway, and it was safe from anyone who felt the need to nip things in the bud and keep the (admittedly overzealous) Yamcha fans from getting uppity.

'Ti's a dangerous line of thought to me.

........

And just to end this on a lighter note, YAMCHA SUCKS.cool

Edit: I also kinda broke my own request about not bringing it up again.

So starting......now.

edited 11th Dec '16 7:10:16 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47949: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:12:10 PM

That actually happened?

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47950: Dec 11th 2016 at 7:14:13 PM

This is the Internet. Everything has happened at some point.

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