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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47852: Dec 10th 2016 at 8:40:39 PM

Is it really cheating? I mean, all the stuff he and the other can do was hard earned and potentially anyone can do it. Well, besides maybe God stuff but even that too apparently going by Vegeta.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#47853: Dec 10th 2016 at 8:43:35 PM

It's basically just a more controlled curve ball.

Hell, even ki attacks weren't treated as cheating since there's no actual rule against them.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#47854: Dec 10th 2016 at 8:48:31 PM

Y Ea, the only rule was to not destroy everything. Anything else was fair game.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#47855: Dec 10th 2016 at 8:55:44 PM

Yamcha is the hero we deserve, the one we wanted!

Now, being serious: I heard the Hit assassination arc is going to be a filler arc, similar to Copy Vegeta. Some people are wondering if Gohan is going to have his chance... but at this point, that question can result in annoyance.

Compared with Copy Vegeta arc, an arc about Hit sounds cool to me.

edited 10th Dec '16 8:57:08 PM by Tomodachi

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#47856: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:09:01 PM

Yamcha is the hero we deserve, the one we wanted!

Bad joke.

He's still this show's biggest loser to me.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#47857: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:10:51 PM

Filler makes Yamcha a joke and tries to throw him a bone at the same time.

In other news, water is wet.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47858: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:11:37 PM

Can anything in Super really be considered "filler"?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#47859: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:13:10 PM

Yes. It "fills" in the space between major arcs.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#47860: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:15:09 PM

So I'm watching this episode of Kai and now I'm wondering why didn't King Kai come back to life when Yamcha made the wish to restore everyone killed by Cell?

edited 10th Dec '16 9:15:29 PM by Lionheart0

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#47861: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:15:45 PM

Well, "filler" is typically applied to anime-only episodes, like Garlic Jr. Since Dragon Ball Super is Anime First, does the term really apply anymore?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47862: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:19:17 PM

How is Yamcha using his abilities cheating at all? Like others have pointed out, literally everyone on earth can do it if they put their mind to it and, more importantly, it's his actual physical capabilities, it's not using performance enhancers of any sort, nor foreign objects - he's basically just in better shape than everybody else.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#47863: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:19:23 PM

Filler is used in many senses, not just the most literal description. It's not quite padding because it's not extending existing scenes or anything.

It's filler between arcs. And even if you were being literal, Super isn't QUITE Anime First, it's an adaptation of a script coming from someone outside of the production team (Toriyama, who is not on the anime staff). We get the anime first because we never get the original script.

So it could be argued that anything that is not on the script at all would be filler. I think it's fairly likely that Toriyama is only scripting the major arcs, and these episodes serve to give him more time to write.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47864: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:20:38 PM

Then again, Toyotaro did once say that Toriyama is very serious about his gags. I'm not sure that he's not at least consulted about the gag episodes, it's what he loves to do most, after all.

Like, they go "we need to do some filler!" at him and he answers "well I dunno make them play Baseball with the Universe 6 guys" and the rest is Toei's writers, with maybe some input from Toriyama at best.

But of course, that's just speculation - we know nothing about how the writing process for Super is. For all we know, Toriyama is only writing the gag filler episodes...

edited 10th Dec '16 9:22:41 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#47865: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:21:37 PM

Technically speaking, it's not like it's an adaptation of a completed series like most Anime; Super is mostly just going off of Toriyama's notes and they're basically doing whatever.

That said, I think I'm starting to enjoy these fillers more than the canon arcs.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47866: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:26:37 PM

@Lionheart: Kaiou specifically refused to be revived because he wanted to muck about the Afterlife with Goku. Why he needed to be dead to do that when he was already in the Afterlife is anyone's guess.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47867: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:27:28 PM

I mean, it's possible he only had jurisdiction to stay on his planet when alive, and wouldn't fully be allowed to leave his post unless dead.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47868: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:27:50 PM

[up][up]Wrong thread, I think.

edited 10th Dec '16 9:28:41 PM by LSBK

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47869: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:30:01 PM

[up] How? I'm answering this post.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47870: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:31:19 PM

[up]Ah, they also asked that in the Toonami thread and I didn't see it here.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#47871: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:33:38 PM

Then again, Toyotaro did once say that Toriyama is very serious about his gags. I'm not sure that he's not at least consulted about the gag episodes, it's what he loves to do most, after all. Like, they go "we need to do some filler!" at him and he answers "well I dunno make them play Baseball with the Universe 6 guys" and the rest is Toei's writers, with maybe some input from Toriyama at best.

But of course, that's just speculation - we know nothing about how the writing process for Super is. For all we know, Toriyama is only writing the gag filler episodes...

I really doubt that. In past cases, if Toriyama so much as suggested an idea, the anime staff was all over advertising that fact to just about everyone, no matter how small his involvement. If they're not mentioning him at all, seems safe to say that he had no involvement.

We do know he's a borderline co-writer of the manga though.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#47872: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:41:55 PM

[up] Exactly. Japanese works love to trot out the original creator's name on anything they've so much as glanced at.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#47874: Dec 10th 2016 at 11:36:37 PM

I'm surprised PMC isn't here gushing over it yet. Also, is it even possible to play baseball with only 6 on each team?


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