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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47551: Dec 2nd 2016 at 6:46:00 PM

@Rob

17 likely wasn't targetted at all, Buu almost certainly locked on to every ki signature in the world at once to do what he did and 17 doesn't have a ki signature to lock on to.

edited 2nd Dec '16 6:46:19 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#47552: Dec 2nd 2016 at 6:54:04 PM

See, I wonder about that.

Toriyama has apparently said that 17 and 18 could get stronger if they trained. It's possible they still have some ki (they are still partially human) but since they rely on their infinite energy generators, it's so low that it likely can't be detected by most.

Outside of 17's barrier, I've never seen them using more complicated techniques until 18 pulled off the Destructo Disk during her fight with Mighty Trunks Goten Mask, which makes me think Krillin might have trained her to use what little ki she still had to do it.

That's just a theory though; you're likely right that he just wasn't targeted. If he saw it coming, he might have been able to save his family....until Kid Buu blew the whole planet up that is.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#47553: Dec 2nd 2016 at 6:59:41 PM

Even if he didn't see it coming at first, if Tien could dodge it, it was probably moving at a snail's pace for 17.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#47554: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:00:51 PM

Fair enough.

But Tien likely sensed the power being thrown at him too. That gave him and Chiaotzu some wiggle room.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#47555: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:02:17 PM

So?

Even if he could sense it the moment it was fired, if it was moving at a speed at which it was too fast for 17 to react to, Tien would've gone from "What's that" to "Shit I'm dead" in less time than it takes either of us to blink.

Remember: Normal people could see them coming. The attack was immensely wide reaching, but it was slow and weak.

edited 2nd Dec '16 7:02:52 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#47556: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:08:46 PM

That is also true.

Yeah, 17 was probably fine. Hopefully, so was his family. He would have definitely been strong enough to protect them from something that weak.

But yeah, this just proves that Buu is better at wiping out humans then Black-Masu and immortal Zamasu.

The only thing I can think of beyond them not knowing the technique is that they wanted to do it slowly to cause suffering to humans.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47557: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:16:12 PM

Their attitude during the whole thing implies they really didn't care how long it was taking...seeing how they had all the time in the universe.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#47558: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:20:33 PM

Yeah they strike me as the kind who want to let humans know that they're specifically being targeted and killed off. Buu just wanted them out of the way.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#47559: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:34:33 PM

Sounds about right.

That makes them worse then Buu in a sense. They weren't just killing humans, they were going out of their way to make them suffer.

I mean, Black did announce that he was destroying humanity for the sake of justice. He had to justify what he was doing to himself.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#47560: Dec 2nd 2016 at 7:46:41 PM

@Saiga I mean, the DBU wiki actually has things at the upper right corner of the pages that state where something appears in, even specifying if the thing is canon and/or made by Toriyama. So filler only stuff is stated to only show up in the anime, and even the stuff on character pages like the Super Saiyan 4 form is preceded by a note saying that it's not a part of the main continuity Toriyama made.

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Winterbornbree from [Redacted] Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: That's rough, buddy
#47562: Dec 2nd 2016 at 8:56:52 PM

You know who Goku (with his hair gelled up) reminds me of? Astro Boy.

Edit: Unless my memory is faulty.

edited 2nd Dec '16 8:59:56 PM by Winterbornbree

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#47563: Dec 2nd 2016 at 9:44:34 PM

[up]x4

I don't know why they were targeting humans specifically...there are plenty of mortals out there. Just going to assume Black and Zamasu killed the other races before setting their eyes on mankind I guess....

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#47564: Dec 2nd 2016 at 9:57:33 PM

Zamasu and Black just were not trying too hard. They were not in a hurry. They could have killed everyone in just a tiny bit but did not feel like. Largely cause they were sadists who enjoyed hunting them down.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47565: Dec 2nd 2016 at 10:18:21 PM

I mean, the big problem with systematically wiping out all life everywhere is the transit time in-between planets, which is a nonfactor for Black and Zamasu, because they have godly teleportation. If it takes them, say, a month to kill everyone on 1 planet, and there are 3,000 life-bearing planets in the universe, than it'll takes Black and Zamasu 250 years to kill all mortals everywhere, which is a blink in the eye for life-forms that live 75,000,000 years. Even if Black starts dying of old age from Goku's body, they could've just fused and been eternal.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47566: Dec 2nd 2016 at 10:27:45 PM

It would actually be an interesting plot to see Bulma try to upgrade 18''s (and/or 17's) power source or abilities in some way. Especially since Bulma's inventions and influence have gotten a lot of play in Super already.

I mean, it's not going to happen, but still.

edited 2nd Dec '16 10:32:52 PM by KnownUnknown

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#47567: Dec 2nd 2016 at 11:10:15 PM

Oh my god Goku and Vegeta are Phoenix and Edgeworth now.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#47568: Dec 2nd 2016 at 11:27:09 PM

Goku Wright: Saiyan at Law?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#47569: Dec 3rd 2016 at 1:19:43 AM

A preview pic from episode 70...

Yamcha's back at it again for Team Universe 7!

edited 3rd Dec '16 1:21:15 AM by Rinsankajugin

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47570: Dec 3rd 2016 at 1:29:17 AM
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#47571: Dec 3rd 2016 at 1:33:02 AM

As long as he still looks good in a uniform...whatever.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#47572: Dec 3rd 2016 at 6:53:15 AM

I just thought about that space time rift Black opened up with his scythe, and how "final" the last Trunks episode seemed. Did they ever deal with that? Did it close on it's own?

Black himself said he didn't know whether the rift was an opening into another world or not, and we did see copies of Black coming out of it. What if, in actuality, wild mass guessthe Z-Virus were to come back through that same rift, having escaped to that other world before Zeno hit F5? Zamasu's explosion targeted every living human on Earth. Maybe it also seeped through that rift and, sensing the humans alive in that future, is currently busy annihilating the "other" future that Trunks and Mai went to.

I mean there has to be another episode showing what happens to Trunks and Mai in the duplicate future, and there has to be some sort of threat for them to deal with.

Except there'd be no way for Trunks to deal with that. Except maybe for Whis showing up late and dealing with things in his own special way.

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Also, a thought. Zamasu becoming a giant cloud of particles is kind of neat. He wished to be "immortal." Vegito stress-tested this, punched him, kicked him, stabbed him through the gut, blasted him. Trunks went a step further and split him in half. Well Zamasu can't be "immortal" without a body, so the Dragon's magic compensated by transmuting him into a gas form. There. And if Superman were by chance to show up and suck Zamasu into his mouth, Zamasu would become Liquid Zamasu and start raving about his inferior genes or something.

"Immortality" doesn't have to mean "stays in the same physical form." I bet if this arc didn't need a conclusion, Zeno's obliteration of Zamasu would've just turned Zamasu into some kind of malevolent thought-form, a malicious intent in the back of everyone's heads telling them to "kill all mortals," or just Anime Freddy Kreuger, what have you.

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And one more thing: Vegetto Blue vs Merged Zamasu in Xenoverse 2 only a mod though.

edited 3rd Dec '16 7:06:17 AM by Soble

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#47573: Dec 3rd 2016 at 8:34:24 AM

Well, since I'm reading the manga again, I feel I should bring up that even though people are always whining about Gohan, he does say, after watching the epilogue budokai, that it was a mistake not to participate.

Also, Goku has only visited Bulma twice in ten years, because he was busy training, keeping his promise to the Kaioshin that he would train to ensure Buu would never be able to beat him...and he says Pan has been training harder than anyone else. Not yet enough to win the Budokai, but still, wrap your head around that.

And I maintain that Buu had to be training too or else done something to raise his power level, because Goten, who had been training with Goku, was still afraid of fighting Buu in the budokai. And as we have learned, this was post god Goku he was training with...every time I look back on that I'm filled with disappointment. I need to stop doing that.

edited 3rd Dec '16 8:40:06 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#47574: Dec 3rd 2016 at 8:38:21 AM

Funny, because Buu been irrelevant since his arc ended. Heck, after Beerus incident, they don't even bother using him for worf effect.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#47575: Dec 3rd 2016 at 8:55:30 AM

Well, Yamcha is actually involved in the Baseball ep.

Colour me surprised.

I'm assuming this was all Toei's idea. No way Toriyama would care enough to bother.

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