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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#47201: Nov 25th 2016 at 7:15:20 PM

Zamassssss...

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Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#47202: Nov 25th 2016 at 8:38:59 PM

So here is something that I am curious about when it comes to Gohan. His Mystic form is really plain and honestly kinda boring, do you think that aspect of his Mystic form actually hurt Gohan in the long run. I mean people do say that Blue is just a recolor and is lazy but it is still a visual cue that "Shit is about to go down." that excites people and gets them interested. Gohan's mystic form had none of that. If Gohan is going to be brought back I hope they give his Mystic form a little more flair.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47203: Nov 25th 2016 at 8:50:29 PM

Personally, I prefer the interpretation that Mystic/Ultimate "Form" isn't actually a transformation, and it's just Gohan's base powered up to his maximum possible without Godly Ki. Because, really, there are no visual indicators. His hair spikes up, aside from one bang, which is exactly the same hairstyle he's had throughout the entire Buu Saga. His eyes are more intense... so what? He just narrowed them. There are absolutely zero physical differences between base and "Ultimate form" Gohan,

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#47204: Nov 25th 2016 at 8:52:55 PM

The bang is facing the opposite direction, and is on the other side of his head, compare to his base state before he got it.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#47205: Nov 25th 2016 at 8:57:18 PM

Except his hair isn't the same as it was through the Buu saga.

Gohan pre-power up vs. Ultimate Gohan. His hair is spikier and his bang is not only larger, but also lacks the smaller bang off to the side. It's comparable to the differences between SSJ1 and SSJ2 when it's used by Goku or Buu saga Gohan.

edited 25th Nov '16 8:59:18 PM by LordVatek

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#47206: Nov 25th 2016 at 8:57:26 PM

He has two bangs while not in Ultimate Mystic form...

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#47207: Nov 25th 2016 at 8:59:22 PM

See, it would have been easier if his Resurrection F hairstyle had been what he had the whole time during the Buu Saga, glasses included, that way it'd be more of a change once he went Ultimate.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47208: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:01:23 PM

The bang is in the front, and looks like it's going to one side or the other depending on the viewing angle, even if it is angled left instead of right, again, so what? I can change the position of my hair as will, and Saiyan hair has never been so stubborn as to be unaffected by wind or shifts in gravity.

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Arashi Shigehito
#47209: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:03:12 PM

Um...it kind of has actually; hair has only ever been blown by wind for dramatic effect, otherwise the wind might as well be non-existent.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47210: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:06:56 PM

It gets blown when in motion...

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#47211: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:07:46 PM

You're applying real-world logic to Dragon Ball Z. Hair has consistently been an indicator of transformations so if his hair is consistently styled one way pre-transformation and then all of a sudden changes, even slightly, after getting a power-up, logic would dictate that the the power-up is responsible.

edited 25th Nov '16 9:08:06 PM by LordVatek

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#47212: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:17:31 PM

I don't buy it, it really seems like reaching to justify the existence of a transformation just using such an incredibly minor hairstyle change, that could very easily be chalked up to artistic expression, any number of minor environmental factors, or even just different visual angles.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#47213: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:18:46 PM

I don't consider it a transformation either. I think the bang is just an artistic choice to indicate Gohan's new power.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#47214: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:21:03 PM

Wasn't the entire point to let out all of his power without him having to transform?

edited 25th Nov '16 9:21:22 PM by LSBK

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#47215: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:25:09 PM

[up][up]I realize that my wording was poor and that this explains what I was trying to say better. The power-up is responsible for the hairstyle change from a Doylist perspective. My original point was that since Gohan's hair at the end of episode 67 was styled the exact same way as the Ultimate power-up has consistently been portrayed with, at the very least it's an indication that Gohan is stronger than he was.

edited 25th Nov '16 9:26:51 PM by LordVatek

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#47216: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:28:25 PM

Okay, I can completely buy that it's shorthand for Elder Kaioshin's power-up from a Doylist perspective, I just don't accept that it's a physical indicator of a hypothetical transformation from a Watsonian perspective.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#47217: Nov 25th 2016 at 9:33:31 PM

I believe that Ultimate Gohan wasn't a power-up transformation during the Buu Saga, but due to his lack of training, is a transformation currently.

edited 25th Nov '16 9:35:26 PM by Rinsankajugin

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#47218: Nov 25th 2016 at 10:29:07 PM

His eyes are different even when they're not narrowed, they are fully outlined at all times in the manga and Piccolo notes in-universe that his features are different.

It may have been a one-time transformation, but it is a literal transformation.

edited 25th Nov '16 10:38:43 PM by Saiga

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#47219: Nov 25th 2016 at 11:10:04 PM

Yeah, what Saiga said sounds more correct. His eyes are way more noticeable than the bang.

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#47220: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:15:46 AM

Yeah. I've seen Ultimate described as basically Gohan getting all the Super Saiyan facial features without actually going Super Saiyan itself. Which is really what they imply the form actually is in the first place.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47221: Nov 26th 2016 at 3:26:20 AM

It basically is just Gohan bringing out all the good things about the Super Saiyan form without any of the bad things, which happen to include looking like a delinquent.

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#47222: Nov 26th 2016 at 6:32:26 AM

Yea, even in the manga there's a significant Art Shift after Gohan power ups; its explicitly a transformation in all subsequent DB media.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#47223: Nov 26th 2016 at 6:34:48 AM

Didn't Elder Kai tell Gohan that to access his Ultimate power he needs to try turning into a Super Sayian?

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#47224: Nov 26th 2016 at 6:44:13 AM

He just said to power up to see how strong he had become, so naturally Gohan goes Super Saiyan. When Goku notices that Gohan is strong despite not being a super saiyan, Elder says transforming isn't really necessary anymore.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#47225: Nov 26th 2016 at 6:58:29 AM

It's not so much a transformation as it is a state of being, methinks.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

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