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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46976: Nov 21st 2016 at 3:32:51 PM

...I'd actually be okay with that change. Curious to see what they'd do instead. Most likely it'll be shorter and Goku will just wreck Super Saiyan Starburst after Black reveals he killed Chi-Chi and Goten.

edited 21st Nov '16 3:33:32 PM by Soble

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46977: Nov 21st 2016 at 3:36:21 PM

I'd be fine If the manga excludes Merged Zamasu and Vegito.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#46978: Nov 21st 2016 at 3:37:46 PM

Now see, will that lead to Black actually dying in this, or is Zeno still going to destroy the entire space-time continuum of the multiverse?

edited 21st Nov '16 3:37:58 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#46979: Nov 21st 2016 at 3:38:53 PM

Merged Zamasu was cool. So I would not agree.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#46980: Nov 21st 2016 at 3:52:56 PM

So I just realized....

After everything that happened, I know longer burn with vengeful wrath at the existence of Trunks / Mai.

I mean, I really did manage to just forget about it. It feels good.

Finally, after much turmoil, I Handsome Rob have taken my place in the pantheon of No Fucks Given monarchs.

All hail the king.tongue

One Strip! One Strip!
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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#46982: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:16:19 PM

Honestly, I'd be totes okay with Vegetto and Fused Zamasu being exorcised out of the story for the manga. They were basically both pointless. Hell, Zamasu being made immortal was ultimately pointless anyway.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#46983: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:39:37 PM

Got to agree with you.

Hell, I'm rather mad that the return of Vegetto ulimtately served no purpose.

It feels like they could have just used Gogeta. I'm pretty sure he's not gonna be showing up in Toyotarou's version.

It's sad that I'm saying that, as I never thought that Vegetto would be a waste of time, but there we go.

One Strip! One Strip!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#46984: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:42:57 PM

I mean it's not like Vegetto wasn't wasted in his original appearance.

This song needs more love.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46985: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:47:23 PM

Holy crap Ep 67, this arc has been a ride.

  • The ending song is different. I like this one. It's punchy.
  • Goku grabbing the alternate Zeno was great.
  • Zamasu became an... orbital death laser.
  • And then they all died. [tdown] Even Future Eighter. I was rooting for him. He didn't deserve any of this.
  • Beerus created a new timeline (wha?)
  • Zeno just... holy crap.
    • I wonder if this character was influenced by "Xenoverse" or if that's just a crazy coincidence.
  • This was so close to being the ending of Future Diary.
  • A Kamehameha-Galick Gun-Final Flash combo. This is a once-in-a-series kind of thing.
  • One last "Zamas!" for the road, courtesy of Gowasu.
  • Here I was thinking Trunks was boned and would be forced to join the main cast in their world. Reddit really set me up thinking that this was Game Over and Trunks was just going to have to deal.
    • I mean really with no Dragonballs Trunks's world would've taken a lot of time to fix. And we've never seen or heard of the Dragonballs affecting something across timelines (if they did it'd have been nice for Bulma or somebody to wish Trunks's world back to normal, or wish the Future Piccolo back to life).
    • And why does it seem like "destroying Earth" equates to "destroying all of existence?" Cloud Zamasu only covered the Earth from what we saw. He hadn't gone to the rest of the universe either. Yeah it's pretty grave but, there's still Future Namek, and presumably a Whis in the future timeline to find it and/or bring them there. So then Zeno just overreacted and assumed that because Earth was mostly gone, he might as well wipe out everything else.
    • I kind of... prefer the orbital death cloud Zamasu over the fused Zamasu. The characters themselves point out how impossible it is to fight something like that. And then they try anyway by throwing 3 ki blasts at it. [lol]
  • Goku telling Trunks he's as Strong as They Need to Be only makes me pity Trunks in the event he's used again and the sequel villain beats the snot out of him.
  • Everything's hunky-dory and yet the biggest mystery of all still didn't get solved: why is Trunks hair blue when his younger self's hair is purple? Seriously not a single character notices that or comments on it, despite two people making fun of Trunks for having a girlfriend, and two episodes of the Pilaf Gang commenting on Trunks's messed up family tree.
  • All in all this ending was just so... FUBAR it makes up for everything I disliked about this arc. I'm glad Trunks and Mai got a psuedo-ending but... I'm guessing there'll be a "Future" filler episode so we can catch up with them, because Whis promised to take care of the Other Future Future Zamasu, and Trunks and Mai have to live in a world with duplicates of themselves.

edited 21st Nov '16 4:59:24 PM by Soble

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#46986: Nov 21st 2016 at 6:34:04 PM

God, they really COULD write Zamasu out in the manga. Just have Super Saiyan Rosé be the final boss and that's it. Although I have to admit having an immortal enemy explains a lot as to how god-tier Goku and Vegeta can't win. And it added a lot to the whole 'god' aspect of Zamasu. Gods are traditionally immortal, now Zamasu is immortal, ect ect.

Basically, it seems like the manga is making a lot more sense, but at the expense of a bit of subtlety.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#46987: Nov 21st 2016 at 6:49:01 PM

[up] The kais were immortal, and were killed by Buu, and Old Kai committed suicide so he could give Goku mortality again. What's the deal with that? Remember, two kinds of immortality: the one where you can't die of old age, and the one where literally nothing can't kill you.

I dislike the idea of not including Fusion Zamasu or Veggeto. I want to see them again.

edited 21st Nov '16 6:49:58 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#46988: Nov 21st 2016 at 6:49:06 PM

Hmm, it seems that Future Trunks' timeline went through a Class X-5 Apocalypse.

Do you think Dragon Ball will ever reach a Class Z-3 or is that too much?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46989: Nov 21st 2016 at 6:53:16 PM

That was basically what Wallpaper Zamasu would have done if Zeno hadn't shown up, so I'd say they already did.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#46990: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:00:29 PM

The kais were immortal,

The Kais are ageless not immortal, they can be killed. Zamatsu wished to not be able to be killed as well as the agelessness which translated into going all Cloud of Darkness when his body was actually destroyed.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#46991: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:03:50 PM

Now I'm wondering just how vague the notes Toriyama wrote are. Right now its looking like he just said "Trunks' world is invaded by Goku Black who is actually a kaioshin named Zamasu. He dies somehow. Also make it clear that Goku never kissed Chi-Chi. This is important."

edited 21st Nov '16 7:07:00 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#46992: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:05:06 PM

They're not really ageless though.

If they were, then there's no reason why Gowasu looks old. Not to mention, I do recall Old Kai mentioning that he doesn't have long left to live anyway when he was bringing back Goku.

[up]Toriyama's notes were written on a napkin but half of it is the rough draft of his notes on the latest Dragon Quest game and one half of the remaining half is him whining about deadlines.

edited 21st Nov '16 7:06:31 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#46993: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:25:01 PM

I mean, didn't have much long to live translated to a couple millennia for him, so yeah, perspective.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#46994: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:29:38 PM

Guy's 75,000,000+ years old. A couple millenia is like a fart to him.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#46995: Nov 21st 2016 at 7:49:28 PM

That was basically what Wallpaper Zamasu would have done if Zeno hadn't shown up, so I'd say they already did.

This is my new favorite name for Zamasu's final form. Much better than my Zamiasma.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#46996: Nov 21st 2016 at 8:00:58 PM

The Cloud of Zamatsu is best.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#46997: Nov 21st 2016 at 8:05:31 PM

I go with Zamascreen.

This song needs more love.
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#46998: Nov 21st 2016 at 8:11:06 PM

Wallpaper Zamasu, Cloud of Zamasu, Zamascreen... Man, I wish I thought of a cool nickname.

How about Dead Zone Zamasu?

Zamasu Green Cloud of Death!

edited 21st Nov '16 8:37:08 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#46999: Nov 21st 2016 at 8:53:44 PM

Skybox Zamasu, coming to Xenoverse 5. tongue

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#47000: Nov 21st 2016 at 9:01:03 PM

Oh god, Skybox Zamasu is good too.

There's so many good names.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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