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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#46201: Nov 13th 2016 at 5:54:57 AM

Yeah, and it was a good thing that he wasn't turned into a Spotlight-Stealing Squad, which h could very easily become, like he did here.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46202: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:03:52 AM

Trunks has all the makings of a Mary Sue - what makes him not one is that he mostly keeps failing and getting his teeth kicked in. What makes him compelling is that he faces adversity and doesn't give up, and that the plot doesn't bend over to make him look good.

When you make the plot bend over to make him look good, you're doing the same thing fanfiction writers do with their self inserts.

edited 13th Nov '16 6:04:03 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#46203: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:10:35 AM

I dunno. When Trunks has to snap out of his Heroic BSoD from his bratty 12(?)year old self, I'd say he still has intentional flaws within his character. Wouldn't really call him a Mary Sue.

Honestly, SSB Vegitto felt more pandering than anything else in the arc did as much as I enjoyed his appearance

edited 13th Nov '16 6:18:18 AM by Awesomekid42

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#46204: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:15:28 AM

I'm not seeing how people are having a problem with Trunks filling in the broken part of his sword with Ki, considering this entire arc has been stuffed to the brim with people creating Ki swords. It's not even like it's actually fixed, because it's still broken in the preview for the hext episode.

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#46205: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:19:10 AM

Nobody cares about the sword thing. It's the spontaneous spirit bomb absorption thing that's stupid.

Also, I now remember what it reminds me of. It's almost beat for beat a rip-off of Shaman King final battle conclusion, down to cutting the bad guy vertically in half with a sword powered up by everyone hope.

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#46206: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:21:02 AM

Oh it does look like the Gecko Ending to Shaman King's anime.

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#46207: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:56:20 AM

Hao Asakura as the Shaman King for the Next Dragon Ball Villain? tongue

edited 13th Nov '16 6:59:44 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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#46208: Nov 13th 2016 at 7:24:47 AM

What,will they tell him he's right,but should leave those poor normies alone?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46209: Nov 13th 2016 at 7:41:30 AM

    Episode 66 

"I'm Trunks, son of Vegeta and defender of the future. This is Bulma, my mom, the scientist who invented time travel. Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic sword and said, "BY THE POWER OF DRAGONBALL!"

-snip-

    Trunks vs Future Cell 

  • When Cell says he's come upon thousands like Trunks... he's referring to a man who is currently glowing with golden energy, with spiked hair the same color, who literally just blasted him into the sky and followed him several miles away. Who on earth is Cell talking about?

    Trunks vs Zamasu 

  • The way to complete this Call-Back is for Trunks, or Goku, to go back to the past and have to kill Zamasu there for some reason.
    • Beerus killing Zamasu should've happened afterward. Everything else lines up almost perfectly.
      • That would have been so much better. Imagine Beerus doing this at the end of this arc, reasserting that he's top dog in the current storyline. It'd be a more definitive end for Zamasu and remove the mind-boggling paradox of Black and Zamasu's continued existence through the Time Rings.
      • Yeah, screw it, headcanon. This is how the Trunks arc ended. Nothing changes much and it's much neater. When Goku and the gang head back the first time they realize that Zamasu did something but Whis and Beerus aren't available, so they go back anyway. Goku figures Zamasu wished for immortality with the Dragonballs and Black confirms, they fight, they lose, they come back, they fight again, they win, they head back, Vegeta gets the idea to kill Zamasu in their timeline to prevent history from repeating itself, Beerus performs a Fatality on Zamasu, and scene.
  • Man I don't whether this is Zamasu's theme or not, but whatever this song is it's so damn cool. They use it a lot but it always come in at the perfect moment, particularly when Vegeta got shanked. I mean this is a villain's leitmotif.

    Gogeta vs Omega Shenron 

    Vegito vs Super Perfect Zamasu 

  • ...these two fights are nothing alike. Not even the same techniques. Gogeta at least we knew he had a time limit, and Goku and Vegeta actually were being dumb by not killing Omega immediately. Vegito didn't prank Zamasu either. Omega Shenron didn't even go on a "mortals suck" tirade, and he was literally formed from "negative energy" made from mankind using the Dragonballs too much.
    • Granted, I suppose Zamasu and Omega both have "memetic" status.

edited 13th Nov '16 8:01:10 AM by Soble

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#46210: Nov 13th 2016 at 7:58:34 AM

Goku and Vegeta weren't being dumb against Omega. They fought him for 5 minutes and were going to kill him... and then the fusion ran out early. They weren't expecting it. They were going to kill Omega at the 5 minute mark. That's 25 minutes before the fusion time should run out, they were being downright responsible.

Goku probably still remembers that the fusion dance is shortened by SSJ 3 - he might have assumed it was shortened by SSJ 4 and that's why they decided to off Omega at the 5 minute mark instead of stretching it more. They literally miscalculated by like, a second at the most. Had the fusion lasted a single second more, they would've killed Omega and defused as the Big Bang Kamehameha was killing him... though that would probably result in them losing control of it, which would probably be very bad.

edited 13th Nov '16 8:01:43 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#46211: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:06:57 AM

Like I said, you either have Trunks play a minor role in his own arc or have him be the one who wins.

So really, pick your poison because neither sound really appealing I guess.

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#46212: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:07:52 AM

I thought the new episode was pretty fun.

The SSJB Vegetto/Mutant Merged Zamasu fight was pretty awesome. And hey, we finally know why Goku and Vegeta defused inside Buu, now we don't have to debate about that anymore. Also, Trunks' Spirit Bomb Slash was so fucking legit. That reminds me, Super Trunks is Trunks with the godly aura, and Ascended Super Trunks is him after absorbing the Spirit Bomb, correct?

Transformation names a gonna get pretty confusing from here on out...

Anyways, here's SSJ Time Patrol Vegeks.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46213: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:07:57 AM

They fired a Kamehameha at Omega that was full of confetti.

Confetti.

That shouldn't even be possible. Yes it was Rule of Funny, but for sake of argument Gogeta literally decided to IT to some party store somewhere while no one was looking, steal some confetti, and then throw it in Omega's face.

Even Naruto used the Sexy Jutsu to get a hit in on Kaguya, it wasn't just to make her suffer a nosebleed. It was funny and tactical. Gogeta didn't have any reason to wait like Vegetto did either.

Had the fusion lasted a single second more, they would've killed Omega and defused as the Big Bang Kamehameha was killing him... though that would probably result in them losing control of it, which would probably be very bad.

I suppose.

edited 13th Nov '16 8:11:08 AM by Soble

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#46214: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:11:12 AM

I'm fine with Trunks only just barely eking out a victory with help from a Spirit Bomb and after Vegito kicked the crap out of Zamasu, and after Zamasu literally started to melt from the fusion destabilizing.

edited 13th Nov '16 8:13:12 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46215: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:17:37 AM

I'm fine with that part. Just would've liked the scene of Beerus obliterating Zamasu to be placed at the end of the arc. All in all the only part of this arc I'd remove was Black having clones that do nothing and literally fade into obscurity. Looking back the animation in that scene wasn't fantastic either.

And Spirit Bomb Slash is a cool name for an attack.

I think they regret making Future Trunks's hair blue because it makes giving him the Super Saiyan Blue hair a little less spectacular. I mean look at how awesome Vegito looked with it. Trunks not as much. Instead they just slapped blue aura on top of his gold aura and made his pupils vanish.

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#46216: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:19:40 AM

Let's play a game since Trunks seems to be public enemy no. 1 now :V

So who's a worst "Mary sue", Trunks or Gohan?

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#46217: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:48:12 AM

One thing I kind of wished happened in the arc was Zamasu (the one that Beerus killed) to grow disgusted by what he could become and help fight the other two Zamasu's. Would have been an interesting concept to have Beerus, Whis, and Goku redeem somebody before he crossed the Moral Event Horizon like his future selves did.

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#46218: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:49:23 AM

Neither is a Mary Sue, though - because both have seen a fair share of failure.

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#46219: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:53:27 AM

Pffft plz, clearly because they got random power ups out of nowhere that put them above the main characters means they're mary sues. You can't argue this :V

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#46220: Nov 13th 2016 at 8:54:36 AM

I've never called Future Trunks a sue over his random powers.

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#46221: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:28:40 AM

Random power ups are part and parcel to everyone in Dragon Ball so calling out Trunks or Gohan for it would be stupid.

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#46222: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:32:34 AM

Dragon Ball fanbase is pretty stupid.

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#46223: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:41:17 AM

As is literally every other fanbase. What's your point?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46224: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:41:50 AM

The fanbase is stupid you say?

I mean, at least we're all fairly interesting individuals. And, I don't think Dragonball has incited any massive tumblr wars or encouraged any suicidal bloggers, despite all of the arguing about power levels, and the relevance of the human characters, and who the best villain is.

When you look at it that way this fandom is probably more stable than most.

edited 13th Nov '16 9:46:41 AM by Soble

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#46225: Nov 13th 2016 at 9:45:48 AM

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Maybe that the fanbase is dumber than most?

Like, not every Dragon Ball fan is insufferable, but I take note of how more people of the Dragon Ball fanbase overreact to a character losing in a just for fun One Minute Melee than a lot of others.

edited 13th Nov '16 9:47:42 AM by Awesomekid42


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