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UUUUUU Uhhhhh.....while I do agree with you on most points I REALLY wouldn't recommend skipping episodes, especially like this..
edited 12th Nov '16 8:12:28 PM by AlphaVII
Warrior to the very end! My tumblr, dood!@ Tomodachi: That was just Giru and and some early concepts.
Toriyama is giving them notes for everything, not just character designs.
Watch Symphogear
x5 Well Zamasu was severely weakened from both becoming half-mortal and the sound thrashing that Vegetto gave him.
edited 12th Nov '16 8:14:45 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.Ok so, I guess this is the part where I give my two cents. So let's start from the top.
>Retconning the Potara fusion.
Guys, this needed to happen. Vegetto is literally too broken to be a permanent fusion as he would just steamroll the entire plot. In case anyone forgot, the first time he defused was never even explained, it happened just because... At least now it has an explanation, whether you agree with it is up to you, but it's at least semi-justified.
>Vegetto makes Gogeta pointless
You guys know Gogeta technically isn't canon right? And thematically speaking, they're literally the same character...so this complaint doesn't make much sense. Hell, in GT, Gogeta literally acts no different from Vegetto in terms of how he operates.
>Trunks Deus ex Machina.
I will agree with this, but it'd be pretty shitty if he couldn't solve his own story arc like I said. Could it have been done better? Yea, definitely, but it's hardly to be so grossly upset about.
edited 12th Nov '16 8:20:31 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.@Alpha: I knew what was going on because of this thread so it's not like I watched it with no knowledge of the plot.
@Valek: To that, I point out the fact that the villain being beaten up has never made a difference. In the Piccolo VS Goku fight at the 23rd Budoukai, even after Piccolo was severely weakened from the fight, the others still couldn't step in to help Goku because Piccolo was still stronger than all of them combined. Or how no one could even scratch Cell when he had all of his energy focused on his Kamehameha. Or how Freeza was just as strong after taking the Spirit Bomb as he was beforehand. Or how Super Boo was still monstrously powerful even after getting his shit stomped by Vegeto.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!I'm starting to wonder if Vegito was even in the notes Toriyama gave. Nothing he did mattered and he disappeared mid-episode. Not to mention that they bent over backwards (Vegeta's armor falling off) just to get him to look the same as he did in the Buu Arc so they wouldn't have to redesign him.
Oh well, the episode was pretty, and that's all I really want from the Super anime. Manga gon' be good, yo.
At least Vegito was still a cocky dick.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."And as much as I say turn your brain off and wait for the manga, all of this could've been easier to absorb if they just had Goku and Vegeta fuse with Gowasu's potara, then have him say Universe 10's potara don't work as well in Universe 7. Oh well.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."You guys know Gogeta technically isn't canon right? And thematically speaking, they're literally the same character...so this complaint doesn't make much sense. Hell, in GT, Gogeta literally acts no different from Vegetto in terms of how he operates.
You're aware this is one of the reasons some of us see the Potara retcon as pointless right?
edited 12th Nov '16 8:26:11 PM by VeryMelon
Well, It sounds like I have something to look forward to when I actually watch the ep.
At least it sounds like the actual fight was pretty hype.
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You must be joking. His style is easily amongst the most fluid in the entire industry, let alone toei. see the third comment, where the translated Shiida tweet has him describe his style as looking at breathing and movement, and not using other styles for reference.
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It's not pointless since its existence isn't to render Gogeta moot, but to justify Goku and Vegeta defusing; Gogeta doesn't exist within the canon that Super follows, so retconning the Potara to having a time limit similar to the Fusion dance doesn't contradict anything since Goku and Vegeta never used the Fusion dance as far as Super is concerned since there was no reason to.
Now if you're gonna argue the retcon was pointless since they already established the Dragon Balls can defuse them then sure, but I feel like this retcon was to explain why they defused the first time since it was technically unexplained.
I have no doubt the Manga will likely explain this better, but it'll probably end up making the fight pretty boring by comparison, just like with the Hit fight.
edited 12th Nov '16 8:44:27 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.I like things to make sense too, but the main reason I don't follow the manga is because it's basically supplementary material for the Anime lol, everything is abridged and since it's not constrained by a 20 minutes time limit, it can explain things better.
It's good if you want things to be more cohesive and flow better, but it ultimately doesn't lend to make things very exciting, which I think Toei would rather focus on in the end.
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Not really, its more flailing than anything.
The dude needs to actually learn how fighting actually works and then maybe we would see some actually good fights. It was something Dragonball was originally quite good at, real base skills which lead into the fantastic techniques.
You see more actual martial arts in Pretty Cure these days than Dragonball and the latter is actually about a bunch of martial artists and not 14 year old girls who havent taken a class in their life.
edited 12th Nov '16 9:05:53 PM by Memers
I'd also like to point out it's been two fucking decades since Vegito has been used at all. Toriyama could have just easily forgotten how Potara works, and even then, this retcon is no more erroneous than 16 being based on Gero's son, Buu being a primordial being that has existed since the dawn of time and not a magical being that Babidi made, and the whole mess that is all the Supreme Kai related retcons.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!To me, the fight between Zamasu and Vegetto lacks impact. They should be tearing the world around them apart.
Vegetto slides along the ground without leaving the slightest mark, like he was sliding on ice, the only debris that gets knocked around is a couple of small rocks - it really needs more destruction to give it a bit more oomph. Furthermore, Vegetto is not being used like he should be - the entire reason you bring him around and harmstring his fusion time even further is to make him the Showy Invincible Hero that throws around jokes while pretending that the enemy is an actual challenge. Poorly.
He should've been fighting Zamasu with his back turned the entire time, or using only one hand, or entirely by poking him - he should be treating Zamasu like a joke.
That is what you do with Vegetto, that's what he's there for.
Honestly, what I feel they should've done is have Vegetto do exactly that - turn Zamasu into an absolute joke and then defuse. Maybe make it so Zamasu uses his bullshit powers that he doesn't even understand to split him up. While going "holy shit that was dangerous" and then destroying the Potara so they can't refuse.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariYou basically just described the SSJ 4 Gogeta vs. Omega Shenron fight lol.
edited 12th Nov '16 9:30:06 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Here's the thing, Vegito has shown up all of once in the series, and going by the main continuity, he immediately went Super Saiyan against Buuhan, implying he would have lost against him if he didn't. Him beating around Buuhan without it was just anime padding; afterwards all of his appearances were just in video games redoing the same fight, and it wouldn't be for another couple decades before he got brought up again in Battle of Gods, in which it was said that even fusion wouldn't have worked against Beerus. Considering the fact that Toriyama only ever made Vegito, and to this day there is still no official word on if there's any difference in strength between Gogeta or him, it's pretty much made clear that neither form of fusion would have worked, meaning Super Saiyan 3 Vegito still would have lost to Beerus.
Vegito is only like how IANCE said he is in the eyes of the fandom, but to the people who actually matter, i.e. the creators, he's not.
edited 12th Nov '16 9:31:03 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!@ Memers: The same dude did these
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so stop speaking before you think Shida does just flailing.
edited 12th Nov '16 9:36:40 PM by Demongodofchaos2
Watch Symphogear

And now we wait for Saiga to get off his boat and give his opinion.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?