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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#46053: Nov 11th 2016 at 11:46:13 PM

It's an really interesting comparison. Both times, a guy kills Krillin and that triggers Goku's Berserk Button, but one of them he kills in cold blood, and the other he lets live. Multiple times.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#46054: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:21:41 AM

How many people did Goku kill after training with Kami?

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#46055: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:24:00 AM

Two. Yakon and Boo. And he wished the latter back to life.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#46056: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:27:41 AM

In Trunks' timeline he does kill Frieza and King Cold though, Trunks just got in the Kill Steal in the main timeline.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#46057: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:37:37 AM

And he kills Freeza when he comes back to life.

After Kami, Goku became more forgiving. He is still repulsed by Freeza.

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#46058: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:38:42 AM

The thing you all arguing about Goku and Freezer in Revival Of F vs Super is that in the movie, all Goku knew is that Freezer was back and that his friends and family were apparently in danger. So he showed up, beat Freezer told him to go home. Anyone here ever read Marvel comics? Cause I got a Punisher/Jigsaw vibe from it. Jigsaw committed crimes The Punisher hated, The Punisher killed Jigsaw, Jigsaw came back to life, the Punisher said he wouldn't kill Jigsaw again unless he committed more crimes, which Jigsaw inevitably did.

Goku didn't actually know that Freeza had almost killed his son, murdered an entire city and murdered his own army. All he knew is that Freezer had come back to life and was scarring people, so he beat him up, and told him to go home. It wasn't actually "come back so I can fight you again", this time. Yes, Goku complimented his growth, wished he wasn't evil, said he'd be a good sparring partner, was excited for the fight, the usual, but about Freezer leaving the actual point he was making was that he wanted Freeza to just go away and live his life and he would beat him in the same manner, again, and again, until Freeza got the message. And when Freeza actually went and did something bad in his presence (murder everything on Earth) Goku killed him without hesitation.

Maybe the Aesop for Goku in the movie was stop sparring people like Freeza, but in the context of the story it was just consistent characterization. Whis assumed Goku didn't have killing Freezer in him but in actuality it was just then Freeza did something he had to pay for(again) and would have killed him earlier if he realized he would go that far again.

Yes, consistent character. Goku wanted to fight the androids but also said Gero shouldn't be targeted yet because he hadn't done anything bad yet. No one knew that Gero was kidnapping teenagers for his experiments after all. Goku does wish that Buu could come back as a better person, but explicitly says he needs to be executed to pay for his murders first. Even with Vegeta, his most selfish and probably stupid acquittal, he says his intent is to kill Vegeta in the future. He was willing to give Radditz a chance because he saw how someone like Piccolo could become a better person but when he proved disingenuous, Raditz died.

The only ones he insisted on sparing when he had good reason not to were the Ginyu Force, and that's only because I think Goku was too naive to realize he had good reason not to spare the Ginyu Force.

Okay, there was Nappa too, but precedent suggests Goku might have just left him for dead had he come without Vegeta. Now let me take a risk and guess the difference in the "Supe"r version is that Goku already saw or otherwise came to know that Freeza had already fallen back into his murderous ways before they fought and thus came off much more hostilely that in the movie?

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#46059: Nov 12th 2016 at 4:06:30 AM

>Reads spoilers.

Kek, I told you they were showing off Vegetto too casually, as if he wasn't going to be the deciding factor. And now I fucking know why lol.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46060: Nov 12th 2016 at 4:33:08 AM

Don't be ridiculous, we always knew Vegetto wouldn't be the deciding factor - his role is to show up, be ridiculously op, show off a bit and then defuse because he makes the plot a joke.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46061: Nov 12th 2016 at 6:09:24 AM

Wouldn't that make him... Kai Carrot?

More like a black carrot. Or Blakkarot. Or Carrot Black.

But by becoming a carrot, just like Vegetto, Zamasu's super-perfect divine genes would bless him with all the roughness of a raw carrot, mixed with his Saiyan genes to make monstrous gains in strength and power, mixed with his Kaioshin ability to teleport anywhere he pleases.

-which being serious for a moment here I'm kind of surprised Zamasu doesn't abuse more often, or apparently is an ability he doesn't have. Well I guess he did sort of show up in a ray of heavenly light when he first entered the battle, maybe that was just Artistic License.

Therefore, by mixing the DNA of a carrot, a Kaioshin, and a Saiyan, the triple fusion would create the most baller, alien, divine vegetable in existence!

The only ones he insisted on sparing when he had good reason not to were the Ginyu Force, and that's only because I think Goku was too naive to realize he had good reason not to spare the Ginyu Force.

Cell and Fat Buu though?

edited 12th Nov '16 6:12:30 AM by Soble

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#46062: Nov 12th 2016 at 6:21:58 AM

He considered offing Fat Buu but decided Vegeta owed the Fat Majin Buu a favor for saving his life. Before that moment, even when he wasn't planning on killing the Fat Majin Buu himself over the belief dead people shouldn't solve the problems of the living, he still intended for Gotenks to make him dust in the wind(which wouldn't have been enough, but hey, hindsight). Don't know what you're talking about with Cell. Goku wanted Cell finished, and finished quickly.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#46063: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:33:10 PM

Okay on Majin Buu, but as for Cell...

The Senzu Bean

edited 12th Nov '16 1:05:16 PM by Soble

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#46064: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:59:49 PM

So question, but if someone from another series were to enter the Dragon Ball Multiverse, would they automatically gain access to ki and all the powers it can give, or would they be locked out of having it because they came from a world that didn't have it?

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#46065: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:17:30 PM

Who can say?

And on that note, if a person from another "universe" that possessed abilities that do not exist in the Dragonball universe were to enter it, would they keep those abilities?

It's why crossover fights are an inherently flawed idea. A hero's powers (usually) only make any sense in the context of the story they appear in. Take them out of that and... well, nothing makes sense anymore.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:18:16 PM by DarkHunter

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#46066: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:18:52 PM

It depends on what gives them their powers.

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#46067: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:22:50 PM

They'd probably have it, unless there was something inherently different about them, like, as a life form. Ki is courage, right mindedness and energy, most lifeforms should have some form of it. Whether or not they can get stronger through it and gain the signature Dragon Ball superpowers is another question entirely, and given that outside of humans, nameks and saiyans, being able to change your power level is actually a fairly rare ability usually associated with mutants, I'm guessing the answer would be no. Most people coming into '"Dragon World'' wouldn't be getting battle auras or zipping around without creating wind gusts and sonic booms.

edited 12th Nov '16 2:42:04 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#46068: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:48:30 PM

If another series uses something similar to Ki (Spirit energy, Nen, Chakra, Appetite energy, etc) they would be fine.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46069: Nov 12th 2016 at 2:34:21 PM

If working under the rules of the Dragon Ball universe, then that person should have ki unless they have circumstances that would specifically prevent them from having it.

Furthermore, much like [up]he brought up, a lot of the different types of energy in manga and anime are basically Ki with a different name and/or different application.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#46070: Nov 12th 2016 at 2:44:31 PM

Yes, but would they be able to fly, shoot energy blasts from their hands, feet, mouth, and eyes, create barriers, create kamikaze ghosts, create shockwaves by punching forward or by shouting, or fuse with other people?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#46071: Nov 12th 2016 at 2:46:21 PM

If someone taught them how to, or they were enough of a genius to figure it out themselves, yes. That's just stuff you can do with Ki, almost no ki moves are unique to the person doing them because it's just a different way to use ki.

edited 12th Nov '16 2:46:49 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#46072: Nov 12th 2016 at 2:48:29 PM

More referring to the second part of your post with the similar energies.

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#46073: Nov 12th 2016 at 3:01:55 PM

That depends on if it's played as not quite KI or KI in all but name.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#46074: Nov 12th 2016 at 4:24:36 PM

-Watches New Episode.-

I-I don't...what? Huh? What? just bugs me

WTF?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#46075: Nov 12th 2016 at 4:25:06 PM

This is the most anime episode of Dragon Ball ever.

No contest.

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