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#45976: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:55:25 PM

The charity thing seems to be PR....admittedly I don't know why he'd need to do it since he's already The Dreaded and everyone hates him. Probably just to keep his Mask of Sanity, which is probably why he conquers rather than just torture and kill For the Evulz like a rabid animal

Freeza is definitely meant to be the Complete Monster of Dragonball, since no other CM has the fact of their irredeemability being buried into the ground. With Cell they don't try convincing him he doesn't have to be evil like he was made to be, they just warn him that if he continues they'll waste him. They don't pay mind to Babidi at all, and they just plain old plan to waste Super Buu.

Freeza, however, is the only CM that is offered a chance to be the better man and always turns it down. Goku offers him mercy and the chance to flee after he gets cut in half, even giving him energy to leave? His ego-defense goes berserk and he attacks Goku. Goku thinks he's dead and he comes back as a cyborg? Doesn't even think of just letting bygones be bygones and goes to Earth.

Perhaps the crowning moment of his refusal to be reform is when he's brought back to life, Freeza has spent 15 years in Hell, suffering for his sins. His men risk their lives to bring him back, his revival completely unknown by Goku and he's even told by Tagoma he can continue his conquests while ignoring Goku. After everything, he still wants blood.

Literally the only thing pitiable about Freeza is the fact he has zero control over his personal pride. He epitomizes everything that makes pride a sin, and he'll be chained by it until the end of time.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45977: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:05:26 PM

And Goku would still go "water under the bridge, now let's punch each other for fun".

Because Goku don't give no shits.

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#45978: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:08:32 PM

Goku did still let Freeza to go to 100% power so he could fight him at his strongest. Although that might have just been the Super Saiyan Gene amplifying that desire. King Kai says something about that.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45979: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:12:43 PM

No, he would've still let Freeza go to 100%. The difference being that he probably would've done it just so he could face Freeza at his best if he wasn't super pissed at the moment, instead of to both have a funner fight and to humiliate him.

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#45980: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:16:48 PM

Like I said. I'll accept it.

But I'm not going to like it, because after what Frieza did, Goku should not be giving him second chances. He should respect his strength, but not be all like welp, I'm sure you learned your lesson this time, so come back so we can fight again even though I know from experience that you are a murdering piece of shit.

I'd like to think that Black is the final hammering point on how he shouldn't spare people like that for his own selfish desires considering how berserk he went on him. Although Black is different since Goku never really did anything to him at all. Frieza had a much better reason to be pissed at Goku, even if it was just as petty.

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#45981: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:22:24 PM

I still don't agree with IANCE; he already gave Frieza a second and third chance back on Namek and he wasted both of them to satisfy his own pride, and had already planned on killing both him and Cold himself if Trunks hadn't gotten involved when he did. This would have been the fourth chance he had given him, after already resigning himself to end him when he first came to Earth over a decade beforehand. It really seems to be character exaggeration for him to give him a fourth chance at all.

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#45982: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:30:32 PM

Yes, but as Revival of F shows, he was willing to give him another chance despite all this.

the Super version was a little different, but it seems that Toriyama believes he'd give him another shot due to just wanting a good fight.

I totally agree with you, which is why I'm unhappy, because the creator himself says he'd get another chance.

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#45983: Nov 10th 2016 at 3:10:22 PM

It's not character exaggeration because you can't remove yourself from the mindset that the stuff Freeza did in the past matters to Goku, when it matters much less to him than it does to you.

As far as Goku cares, nothing that Freeza did had lasting consequences that Goku remembers to this day except the Super Saiyan transformation being unlocked.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#45984: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:11:31 PM

Hit is not improving into god-tier and forcing Goku to wreck his body and amplifying his power tenfold, he is just very good, but Vegeta burned himself out and got his weaknesses exploited, while Goku was outright superior.

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I agree to disagree. Because characters stepping into god-tier is how this franchise rolls. coolAnd Vegeta burning out like that is balls - and another point for Goku being better for no legitimate reason this time around because Vegeta worked just as hard.

Plus there's still the matter of Hit managing to injure two beings who are allegedly would be a threat to Beerus if they worked together - even if Vegeta did burn out, Goku hadn't and he still ended up on the wrong end of an asskicking for a bit.

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#45985: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:26:58 PM

[up][up] Does Goku really not care, or is it you? Because you seem to really be adamant about pushing this notion that Goku would just let anybody go under the pretense of "Let's have a good fight".

Like fuck, he does have a breaking point, even if he's easy-going most of the time and pretty one-track minded.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#45986: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:54:22 PM

Karrot has yet to really attempt to let anyone go after Freezerator.

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#45987: Nov 10th 2016 at 7:57:44 PM

I mean, the only reason Mr. Buu is still around is because he helped with Kid Buu and Mr. Satan vouched for him.

And when he wished for Kid Buu to come back, he specified that it be as less of a jerk.

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#45988: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:16:33 PM

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#45989: Nov 10th 2016 at 10:50:13 PM

The cardlist for Super DBH Mission 1 is out (except for the 2 secret cards):

Funny, Zeno was barely added to the game and he already has 2 cards, 3 if you count the SSJB Goku summoning card.

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#45990: Nov 11th 2016 at 2:12:00 AM

Of course he wished that Kid Buu came back without being super evil.

It doesn't change the fact that it was still the same being that killed everyone he knows and loves and blew up his planet.

For instance, had Cell gone "Okay, that's enough, I'm done, I've had fun, let's break it up" and then just flew away to train, Goku would've gone "cool. Let's fight again some day" and that would've been the end of the Cell games.

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#45991: Nov 11th 2016 at 2:43:15 AM

Wishing for someone evil to come back good after death isn't even remotely similar to forgiving that evil person for their evil deeds.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45992: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:30:13 AM

So wishing for an interesting opponent to stop being evil so he can fight them more without problems is different from wishing for an interesting opponent to stop being evil so he can fight them more without problems.

It's not a matter of forgiveness, which seems that y'all are obsessed with - it's simply that Goku doesn't hold a grudge. He does not think like we do.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:33:28 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45993: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:36:02 AM

Kid Buu and Freeza are kinda polar opposites. One does not think, after all.

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#45994: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:28:34 AM

I don't understand what this argument is about. Goku explicitly says that he wishes Freeza would stop being evil so that they could fight more. I don't see how that's open to interpretation.

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#45995: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:19:41 AM

I mean, Piccollo (Daimo) killed Krillin too, and he's now more of a father to Goku's son than Goku is. Goku gets over people killing Krillin.

edited 11th Nov '16 5:20:02 AM by Zeromaeus

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45996: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:38:36 AM

King Piccolo didn't kill him one of his, now nonsensical, minions did.

And while King Piccolo did some serious shit, Piccolo jr never did anything but be a Worthy Opponent to Goku and he could see they were very different people. As long as Goku was alive Piccolo would just be a stalker training to beat Goku and Goku loves that.

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#45997: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:53:07 AM

Voiced by Ryusei Nakao as well, and outright killed by Goku.

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#45998: Nov 11th 2016 at 6:03:02 AM

I don't think the minions were nonsensical even in light of what we learned later. King Piccolo just learned how to make "mutant" offspring, something that the peaceful Namekians would find taboo but doesn't seem absurd for a species who can create things like Dragonballs or like that one time that Piccolo (Jr) created clothes for Gohan out of thin air.

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#45999: Nov 11th 2016 at 6:11:48 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Because IANCE seems to be under the impression that Goku only has two sets of morality "Can you give me a good fight or not" and believes that Goku has no feelings towards anyone beyond that, and therefore never holds grudges toward anyone and is willing to forgive the worst of people, so as long as they give him a good fight in the future.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#46000: Nov 11th 2016 at 6:20:39 AM

Goku has more depth than that, even if that's mostly true.


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