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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45876: Nov 7th 2016 at 6:52:35 PM

I see no reason why they couldn't. Matter creation is a well-established power in Dragon Ball, and Beerus states himself that he can outright erase energy and matter from existence, so outright creating energy and matter seems like the only logical way to counter that.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#45877: Nov 7th 2016 at 7:58:51 PM

Does Fused Zamasu (does he have a more official name or a fandom nickname yet?) remind anyone else of a fighting game final boss, or is it just me - both in terms of attacks, the way he's always proselytising, and his general appearance? He totally feels like he'd fit right in with SNK, and especially Arcsys.

In a sincerely unrelated note, I really like his design and wish - as the previews show - he didn't have some kind of monstery ascended form to shift into. It's interesting to have a Big Bad in a Dragonball story that looks like the protagonists and has such typically "good" imagery - it's eerie in a way that really sells his "deity of virtue gone horribly wrong" visage.

edited 7th Nov '16 8:00:15 PM by KnownUnknown

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#45878: Nov 7th 2016 at 9:28:01 PM

[up]Add more angel wings, a Latin choir, and scale him up by a factor of 30, and he'd fit right in with Final Fantasy.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#45879: Nov 7th 2016 at 9:31:07 PM

You know, I love the fact that you somehow manage to trick Broly into mentoring you in XV2.

edited 7th Nov '16 9:31:12 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#45880: Nov 8th 2016 at 1:55:25 AM

Does Fused Zamasu remind anyone else of a fighting game final boss

Mmmmmmmm-hmm.

Feel free to share, I've only come up with Super Pretentious Zamasu because he's green and achieved his perfect form, becoming twice as pretentious as before.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45881: Nov 8th 2016 at 2:08:31 AM

Pushover, do you even have and/or play Xenoverse 2? Because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#45882: Nov 8th 2016 at 3:13:20 AM

If we're measuring how good the AI is by how well they fight their opponents... well, the AI is shit. Leave Goku taking on Frieza or Cooler while you kill one of them. Lock on to the one Goku's been fighting and its health has barely moved.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45883: Nov 8th 2016 at 3:15:46 AM

[up]That does show that the A.I. is bad. Not the unrelated mechanic to not interfere with your fights.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45884: Nov 8th 2016 at 3:29:57 AM

There is no mechanic to not let them interfere in your fights!

You've clearly never played Xenoverse 2, and it's very evident, why are you even commenting?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45885: Nov 8th 2016 at 4:08:07 AM

Could've sworn I read that there was. It definitely explains all those times where you're fighting an opponent and your ally is just floating around, literally doing nothing. I don't see any evidence that it's not there.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#45886: Nov 8th 2016 at 4:10:58 AM

Even just watching TFS play the game, that's obviously not true. There are plenty of times where they'll attack the enemy you're fighting and oftentimes knock them out of your combo or knock them out of the way of your Super/Ultimate.

Really, you don't actually have AI allies, you just have AI enemies that can't hurt you directly.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#45887: Nov 8th 2016 at 4:14:29 AM

From what I read, it's dictated by whomever the opponent is locked onto at the moment. If they're locked onto you, your ally backs off, if they lock on to your ally, your ally rushes in to fight them.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#45888: Nov 8th 2016 at 4:54:26 AM

[up]This is true, according to the folks over at Reddit.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#45889: Nov 8th 2016 at 5:10:43 AM

I just saw that the Dragon Ball Super manga made Goku driving (go)car(t)s (in a video game) canon. Neat.

edited 8th Nov '16 5:12:20 AM by Zeromaeus

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#45890: Nov 8th 2016 at 5:21:33 AM

Does Fused Zamasu (does he have a more official name or a fandom nickname yet?) remind anyone else of a fighting game final boss, or is it just me - both in terms of attacks, the way he's always proselytising, and his general appearance? He totally feels like he'd fit right in with SNK, and especially Arcsys.

He reminds me more of a JRPG final boss. That genre tends to have villains with God complexes (sometimes you'll even see an angelic final form for villains that don't have such a complex).

It's actually surprising that this is the first time Dragon Ball is tackling that archetype. Not even GT or the movies came up with an angelic villain.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45891: Nov 8th 2016 at 5:31:14 AM

As a JRPG fan though I actually like it a lot as long as we do not get a "World of Cardboard" Speech by Vegito or Goku as Zamasu loses, it's a standard trope for this but it's too late for that it's kick ass time.

edited 8th Nov '16 5:33:18 AM by Memers

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#45892: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:16:19 AM

Catching up to Super again, from episode 40 back up to the present.

I love how Trunks and Bulma take none of Beerus' shit now, even while Vegeta remains terrified of him.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45893: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:18:34 AM

I never understood the point of the "World of Cardboard" Speech trope. Its main purpose is portraying a hero having a mental epiphany, breaking through the limits that they set upon themselves. Except the Trope Namer: Superman's "World of Cardboard" speech from Justice League Unlimited, has absolutely nothing to do with mental epiphanies or breaking through limits, and it is essentially just Superman telling Darkseid 'I always hold back, but I can go all out against you', which requires the trope to be broad enough to cover that example, which has made it undergo Trope Decay until it basically just translates into 'awesome speech by the hero, in any context whatsoever'.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#45894: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:20:06 AM

I don't know about how well our trope page covers it, but Superman's point is a little more than just him holding back. It's specifically highlighting that his need to hold back is a bid disadvantage to him, revealing that he's a lot more capable than he usually appears right when it is needed most.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#45895: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:23:50 AM

Yeah, but that's a reveal to the audience. Superman himself doesn't change much at all when he says it, aside from experiencing a bit of relief at finally having a punching bag that can take everything he's got.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#45896: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:25:00 AM

well, he wins

edit: I mean yeah, it was never meant to mark a permanent change in how he operates. It's a one-off moment.

edited 8th Nov '16 6:25:24 AM by Saiga

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#45897: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:32:00 AM

[up][up]Well, generally it means he can just go all out, without fear of killing his opponent. He probably enjoys letting loose every now and then.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45898: Nov 8th 2016 at 6:42:21 AM

And that would not qualify as a mental epiphany, breaking through self-imposed limits.

edited 8th Nov '16 6:44:56 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#45899: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:22:16 AM

The trope specifies it could be a situational epiphany. Like, "I don't have to hold back right now because you're the first person I've fought in a long, long time that can take it."

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45900: Nov 8th 2016 at 7:39:04 AM

It also specifies that it can be a speech expositing what just happened after the final battle, a speech to the villain before fighting them about how much you're going to kick their ass, or just simply telling the villain to shut up apparently qualifies as a "World of Cardboard" Speech.


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