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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45351: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:48:21 PM

[up][up]But there is. They're all born of fruits of a special tree, and the Kaioshin are born of golden fruits. Or at least, that was the explanation, maybe it's been changed.

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#45352: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:53:18 PM

That's never been stated in the series proper, even in Super where focusing on the gods is the drive of the show. I feel like it might not be canon.

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#45353: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:54:29 PM

Except why does King Kai and the other Kais from Universe 7 look so different from Kibito, who would have been born from the same kind of fruit as them, and Zamasu, who is a Kai just like them? Like seriously, why do all the Kais have bug antenna, barring the Grand Kai, when every other Shinjin, including those who are just normal Kais, have actual hair and normal proportions?

edited 24th Oct '16 8:59:05 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#45354: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:59:13 PM

We've only officially seen two Kaio from U7, our buddy North, and South, and I can kind of believe South, at least, being the same species as the Kaioshin, aside from the antennea, which I have no answer for.

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#45355: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:00:27 PM

Didn't Toriyama also design East and West Kai? Actually, do you think that the other Kais are referred to as King Kai by the inhabitants of their quadrants?

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45356: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:00:44 PM

He looks a lot like the South Kai design actually. Who might have been filler only, I forget if he made a manga appearance but I assume was still designed by the man.

edited 24th Oct '16 9:03:07 PM by Memers

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#45357: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:01:50 PM

South gets a cameo in the manga, and Grand a mention.

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#45358: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:02:39 PM

South is the only other Kaio aside from North in the manga.

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#45359: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:02:40 PM

South Kai was in the manga, and yes, he was tall like Kibito, but he still had antenna and wore sunglasses.

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#45360: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:03:50 PM

He was also the same skin color.

Anyway the Antenna seem to give at least North special observation powers, maybe that's what makes them unique for their roles.

edited 24th Oct '16 9:04:25 PM by Memers

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#45361: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:06:41 PM

Except Zamasu was a Kai too, and he looks like a recolored Supreme Kai/Shin more than...whatever North and South Kai look like.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#45362: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:07:39 PM

The mention of Grand in the manga is Piccolo mistaking Supreme for Grand, which carries the interesting suggestion that even after fusing with Kami, Piccolo has reason to believe not just Supreme but Grand is stronger than him.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45363: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:10:12 PM

Well in the filler Grand let himself go, which I assume was probably an idea from at least Toriyama's notes or a Canon Immigrant.

Anyway it's strange but it seems like the Kai are special and not the gods lol. It makes me wonder.

edited 24th Oct '16 9:11:40 PM by Memers

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#45364: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:11:30 PM

IIRC everything about Grand was created by Toriyama. Designed him personally and told the anime writers what personality he should have.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45365: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:20:29 PM

Yeah, they did though make it seem like if Grand actually went back to training he could be stronger than Goku was at that point which would put him a lot stronger than Supreme.

Seems odd for a pecking order but it would make sense if they were the same and just appointed to the spot with Grand was just much older and experienced, the Cardinal Kais were the off shoots with special powers and antennas suited for their observational roles.

Edit: All the Kid Buu flashback Supreme Kais had hair too, literally the only ones with antennae are the cardinal direction Kais.

edited 24th Oct '16 9:23:47 PM by Memers

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#45366: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:29:45 PM

Can't it just be explained as the Kaioshin from U10 are different from U7?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45367: Oct 24th 2016 at 9:53:34 PM

In what way are the Kaioshin different? They seem pretty consistent designs with either a Mohawk or a mullet.

The 4 cardinal direction Kais are the ones that are different from every other member of their race we have seen. Even the ones that do not even have an appointed position anywhere.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45368: Oct 25th 2016 at 2:10:36 AM

There are two kinds of divine people, and all are born from fruits: The normal ones, which can become Kaios, and the golden fruit ones, which can become Kaioshins. The former are cricket-catfish people, and the latter are humanoids with pointed ears.

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#45369: Oct 25th 2016 at 2:14:44 AM

The fruits are like their eggs?

So is that what Kakarrot ate in that Hell filler, unborn Kai in their eggs?

They probably weren'r ripe.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#45370: Oct 25th 2016 at 3:17:32 AM

You know, fruit are roughly the same things as eggs. Well, seeds are the true equivalent, as they are made up of an embryo and nourishment, but fruit is pretty much an unborn plant anyway.

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#45371: Oct 25th 2016 at 6:23:05 AM

The part about Kaioshin coming from Golden Fruits is an old Toriyama interview tidbit that I would not rely on anymore. We've had the number of Kaioshin retconned from 5 to 3 to (presumably, from the other univeses) 1 going from manga to interviews to Super.

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#45372: Oct 25th 2016 at 9:11:16 AM

I wouldn't put it past him to change his mind considering he likely doesn't always think of these things when he comes up with his ideas.

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Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#45373: Oct 25th 2016 at 9:15:37 AM

If we are to assume the fruit thing is still the same.Along with the details. Here is an explanation that makes sense.

Zamasu is a golden Fruit Kai. It's mentioned in the interview when Kais need to be replaced they draw lots to decide the replacement. However when it comes to replacing a Supreme Kai the replacement only can come from the shinjin born of the golden fruits.

Here is my explanation. Zamasu was a golden fruit shinjin that was selected to replace a normal kai. As there is nothing stating a golden fruit one can't replace a normal one. Gowasu later took notice of Zamasu and started training him to replace him.

edited 25th Oct '16 9:16:16 AM by Envyus

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#45374: Oct 25th 2016 at 10:59:37 AM

[up][up][up][up]Especially avocados.

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#45375: Oct 25th 2016 at 6:37:23 PM

Any of you guys tried out Xenoverse 2 on PC yet?


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