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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45301: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:23:59 PM

He gave the two weeks notice while flying to Namek.

Also, Freeza learned of his betrayal after the business in Earth, not before, so he might've just fired Vegeta.

edited 24th Oct '16 4:26:05 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45302: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:24:44 PM

Yeah, no.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45303: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:27:06 PM

Much as you might like your headcanon, Vegeta was still working for Freeza while on Earth. For all we know, Vegeta actually had leave to go to Earth to avenge his fallen comrade.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45304: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:27:20 PM

Until Vegeta got pissy and took off for Namek he was still considered a Frieza soldier, got healed up and reoutfitted by them as well. Even the com units to Frieza were still on, which lead to the entire Frieza saga.

They, including Raditz, were even technically on Earth to finish the job ordered by Frieza just with some hidden motives.

edited 24th Oct '16 4:28:57 PM by Memers

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45305: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:28:58 PM

See, you say that, but Cui flat out says their trip to Earth was unauthorized by Frieza; they went there on their own accord.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#45306: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:42:45 PM

So he went rogue one time.

He was still technically an employee of Frieza's in all functionality, and that didn't change until Namek.

Also, anyone else find it funny that a sniper rifle can apparently output enough force to physically move Black Goku? I mean, that just shouldn't be possible for this level of opponent.

But then again, smoke grenades got the better of these two, so who knows at this point.

edited 24th Oct '16 4:55:59 PM by hardcorefakes

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45307: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:55:17 PM

I don't think Freeza's looking over and personally authorizing or denying everything his minions do.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#45308: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:56:45 PM

Frieza doesn't micromanage. That way he has the ability to kill people for something they might have done wrong that he doesn't know about. Casual Murder Fridays.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45309: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:04:13 PM

[up][up][up] Well it is a special bullet designed to actually fight them.

It's like shooting Superman in the earring with a Kryptonite bullet, that thing would have probably killed him if it actually was a direct hit. As it stands it is a big smoking Chekhov's Gun since it did hit the earring.

edited 24th Oct '16 5:05:11 PM by Memers

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#45310: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:13:10 PM

I'm more amused that the force of the bullet itself was able to affect him, and that's all on how powerful the rifle is.

Of course, Black was unscathed, but it was still funny. Like, he can tank punches from Vegeta and laugh while not moving an inch, but a sniper rifle can take him aback.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#45311: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:19:55 PM

As noted by the time Krillin threw a rock at a sleeping Goku and not only did it hit it actually hurt Goku, your defenses need to be up to defend against things like that.

edited 24th Oct '16 5:20:38 PM by Memers

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#45312: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:23:15 PM

Was that rock scene filler though? Or was it also in the manga?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#45313: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:25:42 PM

It was Filler...because arguments.

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#45314: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:05:04 PM

Also, Sorbet's ring. That's basically as close to canon in the "you can get hurt by weaker attacks if you let your guard down" argument as you're going to get. And even if people complained that was inconsistent...it's part of Super's canon. They're presumably sticking with it.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45315: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:18:20 PM

It's also canon that Hercule is a coward who only ever won anything out of sheer dumb luck.

Just because it's canon doesn't mean it's not completely stupid.

The scene with Goku being hit with the rock was nonsensical because, if Goku was actually relaxed and not minding himself... he would not be holding back his power, which is something they have to consciously do, much more so considering that was the whole thing with the 'stay in Super Saiyan form' training they were doing at the time.

The Ring thing isn't stupid because it hurt him, it's stupid because sneaking up on Goku, while you're alive and not an android, should be impossible.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45316: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:31:40 PM

Where was it said that Hercule only ever won anything by dumb luck?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#45317: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:53:09 PM

I believe Hercule only gets by on dumb luck when up against Z Warrior level fighters.

Remember, by completely normal standards, he's a legitimate champion who earned his title fairly. He just hasn't had the kind of training that even the human Z Warriors have had.

I admit, seeing the plot bend over backwards so that he remains the big hero to everyone when he by all means should have died ten or twenty times over is a little frustrating, even with some of his cooler moments like throwing 16's head, going out to fight Buu, convincing Buu to stop killing by just talking to him, and getting the people of Earth to give their energy to the Spirit bomb, the fact that he still gets away with such shit is a little galling.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#45318: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:02:28 PM

I'm talking about that interview that's floating about where Toriyama was asked about Mr. Satan and he said that he never actually won the Tenkaichi Budokai fairly and that his opponents kept getting tummy aches or some dumb shit, I can't remember exactly.

I seem to recall it being a pretty reputable site that had it up.

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#45319: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:04:15 PM

I definitely read another interview that said he's very strong for a human. I'd assume he at least won the 24th tourney, the one that made him famous, fairly.

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#45320: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:04:30 PM

No, he said that Satan is a legitimately tough fighter and won most of his fights fairly, but whenever he was up against someone clearly superhuman, he would fake a stomachache.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#45321: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:06:19 PM

Yeah, that's the version I remember too.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#45322: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:11:40 PM

I'm talking about that interview that's floating about where Toriyama was asked about Mr. Satan and he said that he never actually won the Tenkaichi Budokai fairly and that his opponents kept getting tummy aches or some dumb shit, I can't remember exactly.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING....

<Reads [up][up]>

.....Wait. That sounds more in line with what you'd expect from Satan. Ok. Never mind.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#45323: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:23:25 PM

Also, Sorbet probably had a power level lower than a Saibaman; if Goku was focused completely on Frieza, it wouldn't be that out of the question that an energy reading that low would slip by his radar. After all, ki sensing seems to require conscious use of it, otherwise there'd never be an instance of any of the heroes falling for that "smoke cloud" thing, like you know, what happened during most of the Nappa fight?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#45324: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:23:46 PM

Doesn't really sound like the guy who would lose a fistfight with Bob Sapp very definitely.

(Which is already nonsensical because Mr. Satan got smacked by Cell once, I'm fairly sure Bob Sapp would turn to mush if slapped that hard)

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Arashi Shigehito
#45325: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:24:53 PM

Wasn't Bob Sapp actually a legitimate fighter at one point in his life?

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