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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#44926: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:50:02 PM

That is correct...and you probably never will.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#44927: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:50:37 PM

If you're also a martial artist who is experienced in a slightly different variation of the Knife-Hand Strike, that sounds entirely feasible.

edited 15th Oct '16 8:52:12 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#44928: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:53:08 PM

[up][up][up]What a horrible analogy. That isn't like that at all.

PMC has a point that most of them are effectively the same. Really, what's the huge difference between a Spirit Bomb and a Kamehameha? One's a big sphere that blows up...and the other is a beam that blows up.

Your analogy fails because simply making a karate gesture will not chop wood in half, while the above attacks do basically the same things.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44929: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:57:44 PM

[up]I get what you and Pushover are saying, but using the Spirit Bomb as an example is terrible because it actually is different from the others.

But I think the point everyone else is making is just because they go for the same end result doesn't mean they're the exact same thing, which is also fair.

edited 15th Oct '16 8:59:14 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#44930: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:59:30 PM

It can disintegrate you if strong enough...

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#44931: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:59:52 PM

Yeah Spirit Bomb was a poor example. A better example would've been the Masenko or the Galactic Donut.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#44932: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:01:33 PM

So the Spirit Bomb collects energy from surrounding living beings, and it forms into a giant sphere. And something about a pure heart.

Yeah, just because they do the same thing doesn't mean they're the same, but the differences do become arbitrary between some of the attacks.

Like, there's no huge difference in function between Galick Gun and Kamehameha.

[down]Good point.

I guess a more proper comparison would be between different types of bullets.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:08:07 PM by hardcorefakes

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44933: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:03:56 PM

The Spirit Bomb is a bad example because it isn't made of ki. It's made of genki, hence it's Japanese name, Genki Dama.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#44934: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:07:58 PM

The technique used would be different. A punch hurts you, a palm strike hurts you, both are attacks by the arm, but aren't the same.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#44935: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:12:52 PM

The difference between a palm strike and a punch is in looks. They are functionally the same (punishing striking blows).

They even inflict similar forms of damage.

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#44936: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:14:20 PM

Well, a punch is more bony, and a palm strike has more overall impact, but they are very similar, yes.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:19:32 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#44937: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:16:54 PM

A punch uses the knuckles, which can hurt way more due to the force being way more focused on smaller and relatively sharper parts. A palm strikespreads the force almost equally, and is more of powerful push.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#44938: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:19:21 PM

Funny story...my brother once cracked my eye-socket by basically palming me in my eye.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize how serious that actually was...

edited 15th Oct '16 9:26:11 PM by hardcorefakes

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#44939: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:24:57 PM

So just because they use the same source of energy it totally must mean that they're all the same.

Bet that if I said "well every jutsu is the same because they all use chakra" you would be singing a different tune, hm.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#44940: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:25:24 PM

Weak Skull or Strong Bro...you decide.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#44941: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:31:49 PM

I think my skull is of normal durability, I've fallen on my head before with only a headache and bump to show for it....then again, I probably should've went to the doctor for that one as well.

I'll just chalk it up to him being strong.

[up][up]Nah, there's a difference between water and fire, or earth and lightning.

Even if they use most jutsus for offensive moves, their composition is clearly different, which is why my Spirit Bomb example was bad.

So yeah, water and fire are both used to attack people, but they're different chemical compounds, wheresas both the Galick Gun and Kamehameha are made of ki, and they're both used for attacking people. Except one is purple, and the other is blue.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:43:14 PM by hardcorefakes

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#44942: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:33:15 PM

Or really lucky. Some parts of the skull are actually surprisingly weak.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44943: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:37:23 PM

It's why coconuts are able to kill us, despite the fact that one could actually live through multiple stab wounds if they don't hit anything vital and/or medical attention is immediately given.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:38:15 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#44944: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:40:51 PM

I expected the thing that protects our brains and senses to be way more stronger.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#44945: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:41:05 PM

You can live through tons upon tons of stab wounds with no medical treatment.

After all, getting poked with a needle is a stabbing wound.

[up]Structural weaknesses exist in everything.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:42:29 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#44946: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:42:20 PM

[up][up]It is strong, but the force of a falling coconut is stronger...

Stronger than your own fist.

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#44947: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:44:57 PM

The problems with Pushover's analogy is that some KI attacks have properties that can't be explained by color or density.

A classic case is, of course, the Kamehameha. It can't hurt Tao Pai Pai or Tien, but they can be hurt by other similar in function, weaker in function KI attacks.

Another case involving Tien is the KI Control Cannon/Tri Beam Cannon. It has an exhausting potentially lethal, in one case actually lethal, property that other KI blasts don't have. Goku and Vegeta have both expended their KI with non lethal results, while Kaioken abuse can kill Goku. Also, the spirit bomb/genki dama/energy coin. Goku can still use it even when his KI reserves are otherwise spent.

The problem is, you're thinking two dimensional. Monkey King got his powers from Taoism and Tai Chi, where personal KI is a three pronged combination of energy, bravery and right mindedness in addition to impersonal trackers that mark the transfer of energy throughout the universe. That's four dimensions and Dragon Ball hasn't really been assed to go into detail about them, probably for the better. Then there is the Ki everyone uses, which apparently isn't the artificial variety the androids have, or the godly variety, or the demon clan's variety, which everyone kind of forgets about. The kind that could destroy nimbus clouds people rode on till then thought to be immortal.

And I admit I'm partially wrong about something myself. I'm looking at the manga. Right now, at the panel where Trunks kills Cell. The resulting KI obscures Trunks completely, so it's clearly different from Galik Gun, Cell is airborne when it is used on him and Trunks is airborne when it finishes, so I assumed this was a physical attack. Super Sonic Warriiors 2 names this attack finish buster, uses the pose and the same animation but doesn't obscure Trunks's body in the light and treats it as a beam. I supposed one could interpret it as Trunks floating in a massive crater of his own creation. He did say he didn't want to fight in the city that spent three years rebuilding, but the light effect in game doesn't damage, only the beam. So I choose to interpret finish buster as a physical attack and chalk it up to the game designer's lack of attention to detail.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#44948: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:45:46 PM

[up][up]Knowing how hard coconuts are, I shudder to think of one falling on my head.

It'd be like a bowling ball, only denser.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:46:41 PM by hardcorefakes

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44949: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:46:00 PM

Wasn't Tien's thing just him using a Kiai or something?

Also, I meant multiple stab wounds from a knife.

Also also, Trunks' move to kill Cell was named Heat Dome Attack in Budokai Tenkaichi 2, and in every game since.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:49:15 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44950: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:47:12 PM

Tien has a specific technique to neutralize the Kamehameha, no matter how powerful it may be.


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