As asked before, could you kill Goku Black by removing that ring? We don't see him take it off
Goku Black actually reminds me of Dark Danny. They're an evil version of the main character through combining them with a villain. They even have the time travel aspect down, and like Dark Danny Goku Black has broken out of causality. Admittedly it's in reverse with Zamasu/Goku Black; instead of the good character being corrupted by gaining a villain's attributes, it's a villain being corrupted by the hero's characteristics.
As The Mind Is a Plaything of the Body, that raises the question of what might've happened to Goku's personality if he spent enough time in Zamasu's body. Also, given his general creeper nature I wonder what Goku Black did with his corpse
Why would he have done anything to his corpse? DB villains seem content with just leaving a body after it's dead, so there's no reason to assume he did anything to it.
He could've made a wish to have the body constantly revive upon death so he could keep killing Karrot, that would've been cool.
Due to narrative structure, they didn't also swap voices...thas neat.
edited 10th Oct '16 11:12:04 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Finally saw the most recent episode. Totally called the Time Ring being the only thing keeping Black around. I wonder what this means for Trunks, though.
Will Black disappear the moment that ring is destroyed/separated from him, and if so will everything he did be erased as well? Will Future Zamasu go bad anyway? Will Trunks' bad-to-worse future return to being a recovering Bad Future, with everyone forgetting this entire arc - and if so, will it cycle back and influence the "main" timeline as well? Or will there be a whole other level of time travel shenanigans to stick this quagmire together like duct tape?
Black-Masu pulling it on Trunks made me realize how rare it is for DB villains to try the "all this evil stuff I'm doing is actually your fault for vague reasons" "The Reason You Suck" Speech, at least not the extended version that leads to It's All My Fault. But then, Zamasu is an enormous hypocrite (totally loved Vegeta calling him out on how his vision of a perfect utopia makes absolutely no sense) whereas a lot of DB Big Bads are Card Carriers who embrace the fact that they're doing terrible things, and wouldn't really care if a heroic character initially led them to do it - let alone try to stuff it in their face. Trunks, being our universe's eternally tortured hero, falls for it in a way no other Dragon Ball character would.
It never hit me that Black was abusing the same incredibly unfair power-up mechanic our heroes have been for years rather than having some divine/ethereal reason for constantly getting stronger. Between this and Hit, this series has been doing a lot of fun lampshading of the franchise's love of Plot Relevant Power Up.
edited 10th Oct '16 11:28:46 PM by KnownUnknown
I thought Broli's fan-wank was that he's constantly rising in power...as an LSSJ.
edited 11th Oct '16 12:19:19 AM by randomness4
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The part that bugs me is why would Black Zamasu go to/be able to travel to Trunks's timeline?
- In the original present timeline we have our time loop, with Trunks initating the loop so to speak.
- Trunks informs Goku about Black - as predicted, Goku's actions meeting Zamasu set events in motion.
- In our original Zamasu timeline, this meeting occurs and Zamasu's hatred grows.
- So he doesn't jack-diddly until deciding to off Gowasu.
But problem: in this Z timeline, even though Black exists as part of the loop, we see Black kill Goku and his family at the very start of Super, while Goku is still wearing his farming clothes, meaning Goku couldn't have met Beerus or Whis, or gone to meet Black. Unless we're meant to assume that in this original timeline/loop Goku just went back home to farm.
- Gowasu shows Zamasu the Time Rings because of the meeting with Goku/B/W.
- Zamasu offs him, wishes for Goku's body, and kills Goku.
- So Zamasu, IIRC, went for a timeline where Beerus was already dead.
- How did Zamasu do this? How did he know to find Trunks's timeline? Trunks's timeline is the only one where Beerus died because of Supreme Kai's death?
- Since when can the Supreme Kai travel across dimensions? Did Zamasu use the Super Dragonballs to do this, or the Time Ring? Wasn't it explained that the time rings can only go forward and that it should be impossible to go backward, unless obviously it reacts to a time rift like the one made by Trunk's machine?
- According to the wiki the Silver Ring lets you travel to any of the other timelines - source? But assuming that's true I guess Black could've just used each ring and gone to see what that timeline looked like, and since there are only four and 1 is Trunks's he would've found it soon enough.
- Problem with that still being that Black would only be able to travel to the future, and Trunks's timeline is technically not "the future."
- And Black isn't from Trunks's timeline. If he were, he wouldn't have any conceivable way of knowing about Goku. Black is from our main timeline. So he had to have find out about Trunks's timeline on his own.
- So Beerus kills Present Zamasu. This would end the loop/undo everything if not for the Time Ring.
edited 11th Oct '16 5:00:50 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I'm with Saiga on the who-gives-a-fuck train when it comes to Trunks' new form. I'm just rolling with the punches now.
Super needs to realize that if it doesn't have any fidelity to the concepts of power tiers then there's absolutely no way it can drum up any drama or sense of danger. If characters are as strong as they need to be at any given point, the viewer can't get invested.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."The only thing that's laughable is your own response, making assumptions about someone's "headcanons" when you don't even know what they are.
The manga was much more consistent about characters' strengths than Toei's adaptations have ever been. While it has had some shaky moments in regards to extreme/abusable power-ups, characters don't just fluctuate in strength without an in-story reason.
Unless you can provide some actual examples to justify your claim.
In general, Toei's works have always played it fast and loose in a way that made it clearly different to the manga, Super is nothing new. It's just more pronounced than something like the Z anime, likely as a result of adaptation a much less defined source material.
Piccolo becoming the strongest character in the heroes' side twice, because he was needed at the moment.
The story was written on the run, long term consistency is quite unlikely. And yeah, Toei fucked that up, but, yeah, good luck finding continuity in a series where the author forgets about characters.
Piccolo had a reason for those power ups. Super doesn't give reasons for characters' power levels just jumping around.
That's all they need to do to make this shit more palatable. And for extra points, make it something the characters couldn't do at any previous point in the story.
If yelling really hard is all it takes for characters to shoot past the villains (Gohan was the only person that could do this in the original, and his rage boosts never had him actually beating anyone; he had to train like everyone else), then drama is impossible because you'll just be waiting for the characters to... yell really loudly.
edited 11th Oct '16 7:19:26 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."We don't actually know if this is Toriyama, or if Toei is bullshiting something.
We'll see when the Manga gets to this point.
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Super Trunks was already Broli...but he use to have pupils.
And if he powers up in the manga?
I'm genuinely curious if that's a "Toei-ism" and what, if anything, the manga is going to differently. Because Trunks should be so dead right now, him holding the line is absurd. Thematic, since Trunks was in this exact same situation before and got wrecked, but still absurd. Or maybe Vegeta will stick around. Although with Blue being Blessed with Suck in the manga, maybe Black and Zamasu are just weaker.
I like Black and Zamasu working together - they just hate mankind and want them all dead just because, they work in perfectly in synch, and they're stronger than the latest form the heroes have unlocked. For any issues I might have with them the similarity to the Android arc is neat.
edited 11th Oct '16 8:00:33 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!@ Soble All of these questions were already answered in the series.
edited 11th Oct '16 7:59:02 AM by Envyus

I knew Black was just trying to make people suffer.
Sure, they really don't want to destroy the planet, but I still go the impression they didn't need to drag things out as much as they did.
Edit: I just realized Beerus was right! His actions should have had an affect on Trunks' timeline it seems. We all took it for granted because nothing Trunks did in the main timeline ever affected his own (the other warriors are still dead, and 17 and 18 are still evil) but it seems that the only reason Black is even still around is due to his Time Ring since he's from the main timeline, even if it's an alternate version of that timeline.
edited 10th Oct '16 8:35:04 PM by HandsomeRob
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