It's weird, but I like how Zamasu and Black hugged. Like this episode might not have been complete without that little moment.
I suppose that pushes him past the realm of two-dimensional to three-dimensional character. At first his plan seemed really convoluted - still does honestly - but at least he's an evil dick who, ironically enough, does things besides sit on his throne all day. I mean, lawn chair, but still, those scenes of him and Black sitting on lawn chairs, and the hug, it doesn't redeem him in the slightest but it gives him more character than someone like Sosuke Aizen who just sits on his throne for all of an entire arc.
Now all I need is a scene of them playing mahjong and I might have to take Zamasu and Black off my worst Dragonball villain ever list.
Also, Zamasu praised the sun.
edited 8th Oct '16 9:48:27 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I'm going to put the No Yay trope in YMMV, if you don't mind.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.A few things I've gahered from the end of this episode:
- The Black arc is all a giant, subversion of the Call-Back where everything we expected to see as a reference was somehow flipped on its head. Several parallels to the Trunks arc are drawn but modified somehow.
- And:
- Either Godly Ki is contagious and everyone who hangs out with Goku and Vegeta for a day is probably infected.
- Or Vegeta's and Bulma's absurd learning ability is genetic and passed itself down to Trunks.
edited 8th Oct '16 10:06:09 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I mean, didn't Vegeta learn how to sense God Ki literally from hanging out with Beerus and Whis for a few months? Maybe it's not so far-fetched.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Specifically, Black came from a timeline where Beerus didn't kill him. When Beerus killed Present Zamasu, he created a split in time. The reason why Black wasn't effected despite Beerus' assurances is because the Time Ring protects him from any changes in time. So Black's Start of Darkness is exactly the same as Present Zamasu, except he succeeded in killing Gawasu and going back in time.
There is also no special reason why Black chose Trunks' timeline unlike the manga. He killed all the gods himself with Future Zamasu.
edited 8th Oct '16 11:38:23 PM by Ramona122003
Last episode said why they choose that timeline: Beerus is dead, and is all Trunks fault for the time travel shenanigans
So, according to the uncomfortable bromantic duo, is all Trunks fault: The saga.
Kinda funny how TFS touched this subject with Cell, mocking Trunks on how it was his fault he came to the past. Now this came full circle.
edited 9th Oct '16 12:00:02 AM by Tomodachi
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.I mean, when you realise Zamasu is the first flat-out villain Super has introduced so far...it's good that he's interesting. And easy to hate.
And people joke that Toei has been looking at DBZA when trying to write for Goku, but it's uncanny just how many coincidences there's been between the two. Like the Goku/Chi-Chi stuff coming up at around the same time.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Trunks' eyes started glowing, he didn't lose his pupils...
That makes more sense logically.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.And... that pretty much confirms Super is Toriyama/Toyble fanfiction.
Super-Kaioken, the return of future Trunks, Evil Goku, a returning popular villain, Super Saiyan GOD MODE INFINITE BERSERKER, and a character who can destroy universes. It's been wish fulfillment and Story-Breaker Power's for awhile now. Goku even reignited the Shipping Wars when he saw Bulma coming out of the shower and revealed he's never kissed Chi-Chi.
I mean there's a lot to love there but if anyone else had used these ideas they would've been painfully droll. If you'd told anyone 20 years ago that Goku would have blue hair and that Trunks would come back after being attacked by an evil future Goku, you might've been slapped, and possibly threatened at conventions.
edited 9th Oct '16 9:06:19 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Ever heard of Dragon Ball AF? Fans thought those ideas were going to happen one day.
As far as I know, AF ideas were:
- Frieza return and being competent. However, people thought he would be fused with Cell, and Frieza only stayed for almost a day.
- Frieza gaining a 5° form like Cooler. It happened, but not the way you expected.
- A form stronger than Super Saiyan 4. Discussions aside, SSG and SSB were not what people expected, they expected, literally, a yellow/silver super saiyan 4.
I will say, however, there was an evil fan character created by the guy that started it all: a son of Goku with a female Kai. We, of course, know this was never going to happen, but then you see an evil Kai making an alliance with an Evil Goku, and can't help but sort of laugh.
The other theories of AF happened in Heroes, which is non-canon, like Super forms for Gohan (4) and Bardock (Not Canon, I tell you). Still no super saiyan form for Raditz or Nappa, though.
edited 9th Oct '16 10:31:14 AM by Tomodachi
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

Time for memes. Spoilers, of course:
Find someone who hugs you the way Zamasu is doing Black
Actual Episode 61 dialogue
edited 8th Oct '16 9:54:26 PM by Tomodachi
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.