The issue is if Chiaotzu was in the top 8, they'd need to sacrifice one of the main cast. I guess either Yamcha or Krillin, and both of their fights were crucial to showing us the powers of Piccolo and Kami before the two of them faced each other. And then Piccolo beats him to show Goku is the only one who can deal with him. I don't know how you'd deal with that without those fights.
And as for the Saiyan Saga stuff, Mistare Fusion gave this amazing headcanon over why Gohan spends the early part of the Saiyan fight cowering away and then, once he gets involved, he immediately gets over his fear even before Piccolo's death. Plus, a whole thing about the 3-act structure and why the fight with the Saiyans doesn't drag like other fights in the series do. And why it worked to have Goku learn all his techniques off-screen. Basically, he does a lot of defending, and I think his arguments are solid.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!You don't need headcanon to figure out why Gohan spends the Saiyan Saga shifting between cowering and berserker raging.
Before Piccolo's death, he was a scared shitless 5 years old kid. After Piccolo's death, he was running on pure adrenaline. Gohan has proven that Adrenaline makes him forget he's a little kid.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariThe issue is that he takes on Nappa and then has no issue with trying to hold him off before Piccolo's death. Basically, the video was saying that Gohan didn't want to join the fight because he didn't want to become a target and get hurt. And then once he actually does try and Nappa does actually manage to hurt him, Gohan realises "Actually, this isn't as bad as I thought it'd be" and starts fighting for real. It was a fear of the unknown situation.
It's basically just a headcanon, but I really like the idea.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Ah.
I'd miss Tenshinhan's character development, though. It's basically the only time a villain-turned-hero who actually faces his past. Karma Houdini is pretty big in this series.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Except Tenshinhan really doesn't get much character development in that fight, and what little he does get is just retreading old ground from the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. On the other hand, a heated and genuine battle for victory between Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu is ripe for character development potential, on both sides, and lord knows Chiaotzu needs it.
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That is true.
The anime also had Tien meeting a dude he'd injured previously while helping Roshi search for the Dragonballs.
I mean, Vegeta kinda had the thing with accidentally releasing Majin Buu, but that's more about his present actions then any past discretion.
Tien literally faced his past.....in the anime. I'm guessing that didn't happen in the manga.
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Chiaotzu, like many characters, was probably just there to fill some pages, and had no purpose beyond that.
The only way he'll get any development is if Toriyama decides to care enough, and who knows if that will happen at all.
One Strip! One Strip!Exactly. He served his role well in the 22nd Budokai, he wasn't really needed after that. And that's okay.
I wouldn't call him a worthless character or underused because of that. Even after his main role was finished, his deaths add to the atmosphere of the Daimao and Saiyan arcs, and then he's written out of the series.
To make it more final, I would have just had Chaozu stay dead after the Namek arc, with Tenshinhan. The two of them staying in the afterlife, continuing their training in peace sounds like the perfect end for both of them - they only really want to be around each other, and it's the perfect environment for them to reach their best.
As for Chaozu beating Tao and fighting Tenshinhan, no, I do not think it would make the story better. I do think the fight with Tao is pretty important - it's true that it does not develop his character further or impact on him very much. But the very point of that fight is that he's already developed past that point, and the fight gives a nice close to his character arc. It's not often that Dragon Ball redemption actually shows the characters renounce their former lifestyle, so that is also a nice touch.
The battle isn't a very important one, but it still adds more than Ten vs Chaozu would, and in less screen-time. Which is important when you've got seven tournament fights to deal with in rapid succession, having the first round's fights be quicker and less important goes a long way for having enjoyable pacing.
By the same token, liking a character doesn't mean everything done with them is good. Trying to put everyone in the spotlight is a great way to bog down the story and murder the pacing.
So yeah, it's perfectly valid for those who take the stance that they wouldn't want that change on the grounds that they don't think Chaozu's worth it - because the time spent on Chaozu doesn't come out of nowhere.
Touché. I can see that point.
I agree with how his two deaths worked. I do wish he could do more then just die to inspire people though.
One Strip! One Strip!He just dies, doesn't really inspire anyone...
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No. He's right. Chiaoutzu's deaths accomplished Jack and all considering that both times, Tien failed to make them mean anything.
He failed to seal Daimou away (though that was because Drum kept getting in the way), and he only succeeded in dying when he tried stop Nappa, thereby making all chiaoutzu's efforts pointless by default.
One Strip! One Strip!As far as we know, Ten never killed anyone.
Also, Ten never even tried to use the Mafuuba on Daimaou in the manga because the rice cooker was broken from all the training he did.
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That's actually worse then in the anime. At least there, he got a chance to try.
Toriyama sure loves hammering home no-one but Goku can win sometimes doesn't he?
I mean, yeah, Tien couldn't be allowed to succeed, but for him to be foiled by something like that?
He probably should have bought some spares now that I think about it.
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I suppose it could have worked, but I'm satisfied with what we got.
I think it showed that Tien not only was done with the Turtle school, but that he'd long since surpassed it. That's why him beating Tao, the man he once idolized is pretty significant.
I mean, if you like Chiaotzu (in before about a million jokes about how worthless Chiaotzu is) then him getting a smidge of development would have been great, but as it is, I think Tao works.
Also, despite this, for everyone who says I don't want that because I don't like or care for Chiaotzu, just remember, not liking something or caring about a character doesn't mean anything done with them is automatically bad.
And I say this.....as someone who feels anything done with Naruto is automatically bad.
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