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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#44476: Oct 4th 2016 at 4:21:29 AM

It probably has to do with my plans to make at least 6 live-action Dragon Ball movies, each one stopping at the aforementioned moments.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#44477: Oct 4th 2016 at 4:22:49 AM

I wish I could appreciate the Saiyan Arc for more than just regurgitating Mistare Fusion's videos.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44478: Oct 4th 2016 at 4:27:44 AM

So you keep saying.

I don't know why that should be relevant to how you interpret the original, though. Shouldn't your own fanproject fit the original rather than the other way around?

[up] What do you mean?

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#44479: Oct 4th 2016 at 4:34:04 AM

A lot of people say the arc is good, and I really like the final Vegeta fight, but I can't figure out other ways I like it that isn't just me linking to what he says in his videos. And I want to have opinions that aren't just me linking to what someone else says.

Then again, I actually like the Cell Arc and find the Red Ribbon Army boring, so I guess not ALL my opinions come from his videos.

edited 4th Oct '16 4:35:53 AM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44480: Oct 4th 2016 at 4:55:06 AM

To me, and yes it's only my opinion, The second half of Dragon Ball is split into 4 sagas.

  • Saiyan Saga
  • Namek Saga
  • Andriod Saga
  • Buu Saga

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44481: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:17:26 AM

Aside from the use of the word saga that is official anyway, so no sweat there.

[up][up] Oh, I get you. And I think I disagree with him on about everything.[lol] I'm kind of curious what you meant on his Saiyan arc opinions, but on the other hand I find his videos rather obnoxious in how he never acknowledges his extreme prejudice.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#44483: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:38:31 AM

Never heard of the guy, but I will agree that the Saiyan saga is indeed one of the best arcs, an great way of kicking off the series if you ever lived in America.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44484: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:38:41 AM

A DB Youtuber. I wouldn't recommend it, but he has a DB review series he calls the Dragon Ball Dissection.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#44485: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:51:06 AM

Is he obnoxious with presenting his opinions and heavily biased?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44486: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:54:48 AM

In my opinion, yes.

He also has some weird double standards and will deliberately recount scenes incorrectly to support his biases.

And one thing that's kind of minor but crops up in all his videos, he's clearly building up to a big rant about Yamcha cheating on Bulma. Every time Bulma does something unsavoury, he pretty much brings his review to a halt to make a big deal of it, ask the viewer to keep in mind for it later, and he does the same thing whenever he finds evidence that Yamcha didn't cheat.

It comes off as extremely manipulative, even though it's obvious what he's doing.

edited 4th Oct '16 5:58:45 AM by Saiga

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44487: Oct 4th 2016 at 5:57:36 AM

Of course he does. Please give an example of such.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44488: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:14:09 AM

Well that is kind of uncalled for.

The first example I can think of is how he took a huge issue with Goku's heart stop in the Daimao arc. He really dislikes the Daimao arc, and this is one example where I think his bias against it really influenced him because he describes the events completely incorrectly to make it worse.

In the Daimao arc, Goku's heart stops beating temporarily after he receives a savage beating from Daimao. He narrowly survives, and Yajirobe resuscitates him. According to Mistare Fusion, it's treated very easily and Yajirobe splashes some water on his face and Goku is bouncing around completely fine.

That's not what happens.

In actuality, Yajirobe freaks out when he realizes Goku's heart starts beating again, and shakes him awake. Goku is really out of it, and says he needs water, so Yajirobe takes him to a river and washes his face. At this point, Goku's still not standing up on his own, and his eyes are lidded because he's in such bad shape. He's unable to climb Korin tower with his injuries, and doesn't recover until Korin gives him a senzu.

That's one example where he made a huge deal out of a minor scene, and recalled it incorrectly, to give reasons why he disliked the Daimao arc so much.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44489: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:20:56 AM

I didn't mean to sound like I was defending the guy or being rude, my intent was to convey sarcastic agreement at a youtuber being arrogant.

edited 4th Oct '16 6:21:56 AM by VeryMelon

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44490: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:23:31 AM

Oh, fair.[lol] My bad.

I didn't think of that, because I don't know much about Youtubers. Although I guess the only other Youtuber I know acts arrogant while being incredibly uninformed (and has a large following because of it) so I shouldn't have been surprised.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44491: Oct 4th 2016 at 6:30:18 AM

S'alright. as far as arrogant youtubers go, they're not hard to find if you look I think.

edited 4th Oct '16 7:57:42 AM by VeryMelon

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#44492: Oct 4th 2016 at 7:54:39 AM

Eh, Mistare Fusion is alright. As arrogance goes, he not that much.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44493: Oct 4th 2016 at 11:14:14 AM

I think Toei, like the most of the Dragon Ball fanbase, just like to pretend everything before Z never actually happened.

<.<

I'm surprised that Bulma met Future Mai, not to mention saw her in that outfit (which, while not the same as her DB look, is pretty darn similar), and didn't immediately recognize her - or at least didn't appear to.

My guess is that Bulma has: been attacked by a telekinetic nazi, been cheated on by her first boyfriend, attacked by a variety of monsters before she reached drinking age, has encountered at least 4-5 martial arts masters in her lifetime, traveled to an alien planet of people who survive solely on water and control a wish-granting dragon, narrowly escaped said planet's destruction, met a future version of her son, and even died to a sentient bubble gum monster - all of this in-between the time an Asian woman, a fox ninja, and a blue midget kidnapped and tried to to tickle information out of her.

I wouldn't remember those three stooges from 30-50 years ago either.

Bulma's life and perspective on all of the Lovecraftian level sh't that happens in this series would be an interesting read.

edited 4th Oct '16 11:31:52 AM by Soble

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#44494: Oct 4th 2016 at 11:45:12 AM

I'm pretty sure Bulma knows more people who can destroy the planet than those who can't.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#44495: Oct 4th 2016 at 11:56:27 AM

She does.

Hell, with the right attack, Krillin could destroy the planet. He's more powerful then Saiyan Saga Vegeta, who was able to destroy the Earth with his Galick / Garlic gun attack, and that was him at his weakest.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#44496: Oct 4th 2016 at 1:04:51 PM

I have an idea that I've been kicking around for a while. Would it improve the series if, instead of losing off-panel to Cyborg Taopaipai, Chiaotzu actually crushed him with little difficulty, and went on to battle Tenshinhan in the quarter-finals?

Instead of retreading past ground and having Tenshinhan confront someone he used to idolize but has long since moved on from in a rather underwhelming match, we have a Krillin vs Goku-esque battle of two best friends fighting and trying to defeat each other, giving Chiaotzu some actual characterization and letting him cut loose and almost beat Tenshinhan a couple times through skill and interesting techniques before inevitably losing.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#44497: Oct 4th 2016 at 1:49:05 PM

No. Chiaotzu is a worthless character and therefore any time spent on him will be time wasted.

Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
Fate, guide me
#44498: Oct 4th 2016 at 1:53:40 PM

Chiaotzu ? What's that ?

[down]Got it, lol.

Honest answer though, while Chiaotzu is criminally underused, I feel like Cyborg Tao's "fight" was overall more important for Tien's Character Development. It'd be interesting to witness Tien vs Chiaotzu at this point, of course, but it's just my opinion.

edited 4th Oct '16 1:58:32 PM by Bolded1

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#44499: Oct 4th 2016 at 1:54:57 PM

Kinda like a Raditz but even more worthless and irrelevant.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#44500: Oct 4th 2016 at 1:59:09 PM

[up][up]Not really. He confronts Taopaipai, but he's been over the Crane School for 3 years now, it doesn't really leave much of an impact on him, aside from the scar.


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