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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44401: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:10:35 PM

...trust me, you couldn't be more wrong Rob.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#44402: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:19:39 PM

There was that one time we debated about life, death, and how the meaninglessness of life isn't that bad.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#44403: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:22:04 PM

Well, Dragon Ball did prove that the lives of all the humans are ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things when it came to stopping an universal threat, so it's okay to sacrifice all the humans if it buys you like five seconds for a pair of half human half alien hybrids to train themselves up so they can actually fight that universal threat.

@Hamburger Time

Well muscled men frequently getting their clothes torn off, getting covered in sweat and grappling with each other?

I can see why the predominantly female userbase of tumblr would like Dragon Ball...

edited 2nd Oct '16 7:23:17 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#44404: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:23:22 PM

Yeah, but somehow we ended up debating existentialism and nihilism, and I think we discussed the idea of the afterlife.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#44405: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:23:47 PM

Said Half human hybrids proceeded to fail too.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#44406: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:24:23 PM

Again, all those things are appropriate given what happens in Dragon Ball.

Especially the nature of the afterlife. Am I the only one who thinks HFIL was actually a hilariously good call? I mean, they had to Bowdlerize it, and I'm glad they did it in a funny way.

[up]But they bought enough time for the other half human half alien hybrid to arrive, who, in turn, bought enough time for Goku to finally get off his ass and solve the problem himself like he should have in the first place.

edited 2nd Oct '16 7:25:06 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#44407: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:24:52 PM

Fair enough. I just remember that it got oddly personal, and then we dropped it.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#44408: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:25:57 PM

A discussion about the afterlife can very easily veer into religion, which is a topic people get incredibly sensitive about, so I can see why it'd get super personal.

But I don't recall that, I seem to recall people just moving on. Might be another conversation I'm remembering.

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#44409: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:27:08 PM

I think we ended up dropping it because one of the people in it was getting really depressed by the conversation? It was a really long time ago, I don't remember it too well. I just remember the person in question had a weird rabbit avatar.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#44410: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:29:32 PM

I seem to recall someone feeling like we were literally holding a gun to their head but that might have been a different conversation.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#44411: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:29:39 PM

We've discussed biology, psychology, environmentalism, and even had an immigration debate vis a vis Saiyan-Tuffle relations.

I'm not sure if that means DB is deeper than most give it credit for, or if we're just weird.

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#44412: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:30:10 PM

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That might've been the one, actually.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#44413: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:33:34 PM

I recall there was someone who was terrified by the fact that death is inevitable and any mention of it. Maybe that's what you're all talking about.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#44414: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:33:47 PM

A lot of things happen in Dragon Ball that we can easily use as metaphors for real world things.

Hell, we could make a very interesting discussion about whether Freeza did a good thing or not when he wiped out the Saiyans, considering they're a race of violent lunatics.

Dragon Ball is not a series void of moral ambiguity... mostly because it stars an incredibly selfish guy who once got the planet destroyed because he thought it was a good idea to make his son and said son's best friend fight an eldritch abomination from outer space.

edited 2nd Oct '16 7:35:23 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#44415: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:35:54 PM

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That's the one.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44416: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:37:00 PM

That was Baffle Blend, who incidentally cause the discussion to form in the first place by responding the way he did.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#44417: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:37:54 PM

Hey, speaking of Frieza... fun fact: he was intended as a satire of the amoral land speculators and real estate tycoons who were making a killing off of the economic recession in real-life Japan at the time.

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#44418: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:41:47 PM

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Oh yeah, I remember now.

Shame what happened to him.

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#44419: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:42:30 PM

Yeah, he was really upset that everyone wasn't constantly trying to kill Beerus.

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#44421: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:43:51 PM

Long story, I'll PM you.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44422: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:43:57 PM

The morality of Beerus' duty was actually addressed in the Super manga, where Beerus is offended at his work being compared to Goku Black's genocidal goals.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#44423: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:44:55 PM

Killing Beerus is really hard.

Especially if you don't know about the connection to the Supreme Kai, who should be pretty hard to kill himself unless you're either Majin Buu or the saiyans.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#44424: Oct 2nd 2016 at 8:15:59 PM

This is a bit late, but...

I'm trying to wrap my head around how Zamasu apparently did a Body Swap with Goku when Goku was dead. I suppose we'll know soon enough.

From the way divine time travel has been described (that is, it's more "normal" time travel without creating alts: his future and the heroes' are tied together by causality), it's likely Black! Zamasu is actually from the heroes' timeline, and the Goku he switched bodies with is our Goku - the one we've been following. This actually makes Future Zamasu the oddity - it stands to reason that he's thus the Zamasu from Trunks' timeline, but if so why does he seem to be in charge? We can assume Black is the one that indoctrinated him to his beliefs but why does he hate Goku in particular, why does he act normal (well, normal for Zamasu) while Black is such a nutbar who barely cares about the plan? Etc. I have theories about it, but it's still stuff I want to see explained outright. Also, how and why the hell Black/Zamasu went to Trunks' timeline in the first place.

If Future Trunks' reasoning is to be believed note , the reason Black! Goku and/or Future Zamasu haven't disappeared yet is because as long as they're in another timeline, they're not beholden to the events and causality of the timeline that they're actually from.

edited 2nd Oct '16 8:17:41 PM by KnownUnknown

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#44425: Oct 2nd 2016 at 9:02:16 PM

When it comes to Black I think that He is Zamasu from what I am going to call the Omniverse Tournament timeline. The timeline in which Trunks never came back in time and everyone just prepared for the omniverse tournament. Once the tournament happened Zamasu saw Goku with God Ki and pretty much went nuts and proceeded to wish for goku's body and then became Black and then goes on to search for a timeline with no god of destruction and goes to Trunks' timeline.

Also something else that has begun to bother me but did anybody else find it interesting that when Black was talking he says "with the first wish I made to the Super Dragon Balls" does that imply that Black also wished for something else after getting Gokus' body?


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