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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#44226: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:02:45 PM

Goku and Piccolo's special attacks > Raditz who was several tiers stronger than either of them.

Correction: Piccolo's Special Attack was > Raditz. Goku fired a Super Kamehameha at Raditz and just got noped.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44227: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:09:23 PM

Come to think of it: didn't Goku learn to "ignore" the nerves in his tail? He toughened it up so that when somebody grabbed it he wasn't paralyzed. That was when he was a child.

Goku can't even hit Raditz during their battle. Shouldn't Raditz, whose power level is higher, who is a trained Saiyan warrior and presumably fought for several years, have been able to do the same? And yet Goku, battered, was able to get behind him and grip his tail with enough force to cripple Raditz.

Tails are just worthless in this series.

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#44228: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:15:42 PM

Not Cell's.

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#44229: Sep 29th 2016 at 8:15:52 PM

A normal Human could squeeze Raditz' tail and it would incapacitate him. Training to overcome the tail weakness requires a very specific type of training that Raditz never underwent.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#44230: Sep 29th 2016 at 9:33:00 PM

But Nappa and Vegeta did unfortunately.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44231: Sep 30th 2016 at 7:42:47 AM

I mean if Goku was able to figure this out, as a child when he really wasn't all that bright I find it hard to believe Raditz, an experienced Saiyan warrior whose entire life is pretty much a Dark Souls campaign, spent his entire life never knowing, or even considering that his tail could be a weakspot and that he should train it up some.

edited 30th Sep '16 7:43:15 AM by Soble

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#44232: Sep 30th 2016 at 7:49:27 AM

Maybe his tail just sucks, or Raditz just sucks. Just because it's possible to train it doesn't means its as easy for every Saiyan, or that they could train it to the same degree.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#44233: Sep 30th 2016 at 8:23:28 AM

Toyble's doing the Xenoverse 2 manga.

He's the go-to DB manga artist now, ain't he?

edited 30th Sep '16 8:23:51 AM by Rinsankajugin

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44234: Sep 30th 2016 at 8:37:16 AM

[up] (2) Perhaps.

[up] It would seem.

Akira Toriyama's name is on it? This must be canon over the game's storyline!

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#44235: Sep 30th 2016 at 8:44:34 AM

[up] Lets not open that can of worms.

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#44236: Sep 30th 2016 at 8:47:57 AM

[up][up]From now on every time Xenoverse is mentioned someone will pop up to mention how the manga did things differently.

edited 30th Sep '16 8:49:31 AM by Shlugo_the_great

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#44237: Sep 30th 2016 at 8:56:58 AM

I don't see people doing that with Heroes.

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#44238: Sep 30th 2016 at 8:59:41 AM

Heroes has a manga?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#44239: Sep 30th 2016 at 9:11:46 AM

Yeah. Capsule Corp comes out with an arcade VR "Dragonball the Videogame" that basically allows for Let's You and Him Fight to an absurd degree. Freeeza, Cell, Baby Janemba, and other villains that Bulma would have no accurate measure for appear inside the game. Some kid named Beat decides to play it.

(At least I assume that was the manga's story, I don't know if the game had one)

Which amusingly explains why the power levels are completely absurd. Bulma/Capsule Corp has no idea who these people are and just borrowed their likeness to make an awesome fighting game out of it.

edited 30th Sep '16 9:12:25 AM by Soble

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#44240: Sep 30th 2016 at 11:16:01 AM

Also, it is really best to be lax with canon and with the manga when it comes to consistency.......I am just sayin'. >_>

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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#44241: Sep 30th 2016 at 1:59:46 PM

Which leads to awesome moments like Goku transforming against Cooler, or padding out a fight. Cooler, Broly, Meta Cooler, and maybe Hirudegarn are the films guilty of this. I think that's more dramatic effect than simply "they forgot." Rule of Drama. Imagine Super 13 or Broly or Cooler if Goku had just gone super right away. For that matter Goku continues to f'ck around and not go super to this day.

I don't really like that sort of padding, honestly. It's fake tension, and of all the examples I posted about, it's the one that actually bothers me. If they're struggling to fight, and want to kill this enemy ASAP, why not get serious right away? I remember watching those films in VHS as a kid and thinking "Just transform, you idiots!". They should at least give us a decent reason for holding back.

Case in point, the reason Goku fucks around in Super is because he's portrayed more as a carefree goof. Not everyone likes that explanation, but it's something at least.

Krillin's Destructo Disk > Freeza's tail.

Yajirobe's sword > Vegeta's tail.

Goku and Piccolo's special attacks > Raditz who was several tiers stronger than either of them.

Well, those aren't punches tongue And Yajirobe's sword cuts through Saiyan armour, don't diss, yo.

I mean there are flaws in Dragonball the anime for sure but "they don't know power levels?"

More like "they play fast & loose with the concept", for the sake of cool fight scenes and moments. They know Trunks is outmatched against Black Rosé note , but if a back and forth 2vs2 team match is the cooler option, they'll do it.

Like I said, I don't necessarily consider that to be a flaw.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#44242: Sep 30th 2016 at 4:47:00 PM

It seems Toriyama thinks of Toyble as his successor.

Man, he's so lucky, from fan-artist to official DB artist in just a few years.

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#44243: Sep 30th 2016 at 4:50:24 PM

So the guy goes from making an AF doujinshi, to becoming Toriyama's successor.

So...can we say that GT revitalized this franchise as well?

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#44244: Sep 30th 2016 at 5:30:35 PM

About as much as Evolution did.

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#44245: Sep 30th 2016 at 5:31:55 PM

So both great things that revitalized interest in the franchise? tongue

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#44246: Sep 30th 2016 at 5:39:58 PM

Both atrocious pieces of visual and audible fecal matter that made everyone involved with the original series want to wash their mouths of them by creating new movies and a new show with the feel of the original source material. One just happened to spawn an artist who can almost replicate the original art style, though that doesn't say much for his independent storytelling abilities.

edited 30th Sep '16 5:41:42 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#44247: Sep 30th 2016 at 6:04:21 PM

Evolution and GT being inspirations for the revival comes at no surprise given the quality of Super.

edited 30th Sep '16 6:04:48 PM by Saiga

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#44248: Sep 30th 2016 at 6:05:25 PM

I've honestly seen more people like Super than hate it.

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#44249: Sep 30th 2016 at 6:07:55 PM

Saiga, you've made your opinions on Super very clear, but you need to acknowledge that you are in the minority here.

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#44250: Sep 30th 2016 at 6:11:23 PM

More like he's in a Broken Base where he's just in one side of it.

edited 30th Sep '16 6:13:01 PM by AdricDePsycho

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