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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#43526: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:08:28 AM

So it seems Goku's had a epiphany about who Black is and what his deal is with Zamasu.

Rare non fighting moment of holding the Smart Ball for him.

I do wonder what Zamasu wished for however: I guess Toriyama's big subversion is coming up soon enough. We'll see if what he did is what he really wanted or not.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43527: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:31:23 AM

It's not so rare if you don't think that TFS' Goku reflects the real one well.

Goku is not that dumb. He's uneducated, not a moron. I'd like to remind you, it was Goku who manipulated Buu into killing Babidi.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#43528: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:33:30 AM
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43529: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:34:50 AM

You say that as if TFS isn't infallible and doesn't do everything about the series better than Toriyama and anyone else related to it. That would just be crazy.

edited 4th Sep '16 9:35:15 AM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43530: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:39:09 AM

Well, Lanipator has confirmed he has terrible taste in anime in the past.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#43531: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:39:27 AM

[up][up]People believe that?

edited 4th Sep '16 9:40:03 AM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43532: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:40:48 AM

[up]Yes, yes, they do. Sometimes it even crops up in this and the DBZA threads here.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43533: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:51:43 AM

To be fair, you can make an argument on which Goku is closer to the real one: English Dub Goku or DBZA Goku.

The former turned him into an hero that Goku never was and created parallels to Superman that weren't originally there (additional ones, I mean), while the latter made Goku infinitely more mean spirited (at the start) and dumber than the Japanese anime or manga.

I'd like to see that shitstorm.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#43534: Sep 4th 2016 at 9:52:17 AM

@IANCE

I don't think it was manipulation as much as it was buying time for Trunks and Goten to train and Buu killing Babidi was just a side effect of that.

edited 4th Sep '16 9:52:52 AM by GAP

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#43535: Sep 4th 2016 at 10:07:27 AM

To be fair, the Japanese anime as well made Goku more heroic than Toriyama ever attended for him to be; in that since Super is actually the closest we've seen of that "true" personality, barring the movie versions of Battle of Gods and Resurrection F.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43536: Sep 4th 2016 at 10:50:45 AM

The Japanese anime acknowledged that Goku wasn't exactly selfless.

Didn't the English Dub have Goku forgive Vegeta and Freeza out of mercy?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#43537: Sep 4th 2016 at 10:53:42 AM

Yes on the first part, not sure on the second. The English version of Kai is much better to sticking to the original sentiment.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#43539: Sep 4th 2016 at 11:40:20 AM

Can anyone see Launch in there?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43541: Sep 4th 2016 at 11:42:10 AM

Not even close to all the main stays.

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#43542: Sep 4th 2016 at 12:00:30 PM

Episode 57 of Super.

Based Naotoshi Shida for saving the animation of DBS

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#43543: Sep 4th 2016 at 1:03:17 PM

Zamasu really is a smarmy little shit.

Though I have to admit, that actually wishing for immortality was pretty smart.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43544: Sep 4th 2016 at 1:11:45 PM

Apparently immortality means infinite stamina...he doesn't need to sleep.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#43545: Sep 4th 2016 at 1:14:12 PM

Somebody in canon finally pulled it off.

So that's another thing that's mostly only been in the movies making it to the main series.

Edit: Also, there's some dark humour in Goku calling out Zamasu for using his immortality to allow for a non-lethal Taking You with Me considering both ways he died.cool

edited 4th Sep '16 1:17:42 PM by HandsomeRob

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43546: Sep 4th 2016 at 1:18:13 PM

Future Zamasu?

So this is just the wiki article, but did the new episode confirm this is just Bad Future Zamasu? Meaning in the original timeline there was a version of Zamasu who never encountered Son Goku... except he had to have met him, and Vegeta too at some point.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43547: Sep 4th 2016 at 1:39:49 PM

Don't think so, the episode never made a distinction.

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#43548: Sep 4th 2016 at 2:03:08 PM

Okay, so how strong is Trunks supposed to be here? He knocks back SSR Black with a surprise attack, then fights Zamasu, who previously was fighting SSB Goku, on even footing, despite his immortality.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#43549: Sep 4th 2016 at 2:07:57 PM

Yes

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43550: Sep 4th 2016 at 2:17:46 PM

I think his skills gave him an advantage...though he shouldn't be better than Karrot. He was also fighting with his sword...much better than before.

edited 4th Sep '16 2:19:05 PM by randomness4

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