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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#43301: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:50:04 AM

Just wait till we get to the multiverse tournament and get introduced to like 70 new characters.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43302: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:56:18 AM

Remember, Dragon Ball Heroes is a game where Majin Buu, Mr. Buu and Kid Buu (Grand Supreme Kai Absorbed) are all seperate characters.

I'm sure the other Time Patrollers will get their SSJ forms eventually. I also wanna see some more additions from DBF, 2 Gohanks ain't gonna cut it.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#43303: Aug 29th 2016 at 6:24:15 AM

"Black getting stronger every time he fights has been a thing since practically his introduction, when, y'know, Trunks said it."

I was clearly talking to the poster who claimed that Black only got stronger from fighting Goku.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43304: Aug 29th 2016 at 7:58:56 AM

So no Kais = no God of Destruction.

HOW DOES DIS WORK?

Like nobody answered this, and scans of the recent Super chapter are a bit difficult to find. Does there have to be a living Supreme Kai out in the open, thinking and breathing? Because offing Supreme Kai and Kibito Kai would still leave the regular Kais. And if they don't count, Old Kai is still sealed in the Z-Sword.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:59:19 AM by Soble

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43305: Aug 29th 2016 at 9:23:27 AM

I'm pretty sure the rule is:

  • Supreme Kai(s) and Destruction Gods are a set
  • Supreme Kai(s) and Destruction Gods are a higher rank than normal Kai
  • Dead Supreme Kai(s) = Dead Destruction God

It is also why Destruction Gods are called Haikaioshin in Japan, so technically they're Kai as well. As for Old Kai, I'm sure Black figured out a way to release him from the Z-Sword and kill him then.

edited 29th Aug '16 9:26:06 AM by Rinsankajugin

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43307: Aug 29th 2016 at 11:06:31 AM

What on earth is fun about him? He's a murderous, humorless, pastel-black version of Goku. He's a pretty blatant "here's the same character, just    EVUL   er." They literally took Goku, gave him a mean look, put him in black clothes, and recolored all of his attacks, and made his Super Saiyan form pink instead of blue.

I mean I like the character for some reason, but goodness I can't explain why. If anyone other than Toriyama/Toyble/Toei/JK Rowling had created this character, I'm almost certain it would be mocked. Why does this work? I mean if anyone else had come to me and suggested, "an evil version of Goku that's maybe possessed by an evil Supreme Kai?" I would've hated the idea.

[up] (2) Okay! That makes sense I guess. It's a plausible weakness for Beerus. I was kind of getting sick of him bullying Goku and everyone else with no one to stop him except for Whis, who plainly doesn't give a crap, and Zeno, who plainly doesn't give a crap.

wild mass guessExpanded universe fanon: The reason Freeza's family spent those eons taking over the galaxy was so they could hunt down all of the Supreme Kai and kill them so as to eliminate Beerus-

Wait, that doesn't add up. Does Beerus know about that lifelink to the Supreme Kais? Does Whis? If that's the case, Babidi would have killed Beerus if not for Grand Kaioshin.

edited 29th Aug '16 11:12:07 AM by Soble

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#43308: Aug 29th 2016 at 11:16:25 AM

I think Old Supreme Kai would ensure Beerus was fine.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#43309: Aug 29th 2016 at 11:23:11 AM

Black reminds me of a sophisticated Goku, which is cool.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43310: Aug 29th 2016 at 12:07:38 PM

Reminds you...what?

[up][up][up]They took Karrot and stuck Veggie's face on him.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#43311: Aug 29th 2016 at 12:12:13 PM

Huh, so if all the Supreme Kais die, the God of Destruction dies too. I feel like that's a Chekhov's Gun.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43312: Aug 29th 2016 at 1:14:55 PM

What, does that mean Bills is gonna be a DnD?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43313: Aug 29th 2016 at 2:04:06 PM

Beerus, no, but it does mean that now they have to protect the last remaining Supreme Kai to keep Beerus alive. Granted, the guy lives outside the universe so not much can be a legitimate threat to him, but still, it's possible to kill Beerus without ever fighting him.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#43314: Aug 29th 2016 at 2:37:02 PM

It's kinda odd how Beerus refers to his alternate future self.Like they're not him.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43315: Aug 29th 2016 at 2:44:45 PM

Well, they're not the same. They're the same person but different... In that one's alive and the other's probably not.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43316: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:07:44 PM

The Supreme Kai is gonna be the Dame for Bills?

That's a very effective strategy.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43317: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:54:00 PM

@Soble: Because he is a fun villain. Besides, he isn't "Goku, but evil ". His personality is different from Goku's and he's also far more sophisticated.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#43318: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:05:52 PM

He's basically not Goku at all. I mean, he seems to almost literally be Zamasu in Goku's body. I don't know if I think that's better or worse than "I'm some kind of shadowy reflection of what you could have been".

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#43319: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:27:57 PM

[up]

We already had the Shadow Archetype in Turles, even if he's totally non canon.

One Strip! One Strip!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43320: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:50:38 PM

Though Black seems to respect Goku, unlike Zamasu.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#43321: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:51:17 PM

[up][up]True. That was one of the reasons why I wasn't too thrilled at the prospect of Goku Black in the first place. But on the other hand, why would you bother making an evil Goku if you weren't going to explore that aspect?

edited 29th Aug '16 5:51:33 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43322: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:57:20 PM

Eh, Turles isn't as good as people say he is. There's something about Black that feels more lively than Turles. Black feels more bombastic and crazy.

edited 29th Aug '16 5:58:12 PM by Rinsankajugin

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43323: Aug 29th 2016 at 6:00:41 PM

But Black never consumed Christmas Joy in fruit form.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#43324: Aug 29th 2016 at 6:10:48 PM

He also hasn't dodged the Kaioken.

That instantly makes Turles worthy of respect.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#43325: Aug 29th 2016 at 6:19:01 PM

[up]

Of course, Black hasn't dodged the Kaioken because Goku hasn't used it yet.

We see if Goku has been working on Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Kaioken since the Tournament yet.

Of course, it will probably fail but still.

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