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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43251: Aug 27th 2016 at 10:46:17 PM

I mean, do we even know if this is the same Zamasu that Goku fought, or just an alternate timeline version of Zamasu?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43252: Aug 27th 2016 at 11:06:25 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is Future Zamasu, who is immortal apparently.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#43253: Aug 27th 2016 at 11:19:56 PM

The problem with Black being future Zamasu is that he really shouldn't care about Goku. I doubt that present Zamasu walked up to him and said "Hey, there's this really powerful guy who beat you up in a different timeline. He's dead in this one though."

This song needs more love.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43254: Aug 27th 2016 at 11:21:02 PM

I was referring to the Zamasu we see in the preview being an alternate timeline version of him, not Black being Future Zamasu or something dumb like that.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#43255: Aug 27th 2016 at 11:24:52 PM

Oh. Nevermind then, though that has a whole different set of issues in and of itself, notably the issue of why he went to that timeline in the first place.

The more I think about it, the more complicated this thing gets and it's bordering on stupid.

This song needs more love.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#43256: Aug 27th 2016 at 11:27:24 PM

Also, for those who want to see it, the Goku vs Frieza fight from the special that aired yesterday.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#43257: Aug 27th 2016 at 11:38:58 PM

I mean, the things we know:

Black knows who Goku is, knows who Vegeta is, seems to know about God ki and Super Saiyan Blue, and knows who the Zamasu that showed up at the end of the episode is. That Zamasu says he wanted the honour of killing Goku himself.

the Zamasu we know only knows who Goku is and up to his Super Saiyan 2 level of power.

There's a clear gap in knowledge here, which makes me think things are a little bit more complicated than we think.

[up]I loved how they took inspiration from the manga when doing those scenes. They didn't just re-animate the Freeza arc frame-by-frame.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43258: Aug 28th 2016 at 12:09:29 AM

They seem to know each other, Zamasu said Black had promised to leave Goku for him.

edited 28th Aug '16 12:09:45 AM by Cortez

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#43259: Aug 28th 2016 at 12:18:48 AM

That's the thing. We don't know if the Zamasu that came down from the heavens is the same Zamasu we met previously. I mean, it might be. It might not. Time travel. Alternate universes. Who knows?

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#43260: Aug 28th 2016 at 12:20:49 AM

To be clear, Beerus and the Kais didn't ignore Frieza. The Kais are not allowed to directly interfere with mortals so they couldn't stop Frieza even if they wanted to, unless he was dumb enough to pick a fight with the Supreme Kais. And Beerus kept Frieza in line to a point, and even mused about killing him before he learned Frieza was long dead.

On the subject of Black and Zamasu, I doubt they are the same person even using different timelines. Again, Black knows all of Goku's techniques and he acts nothing like Zamasu outside they both hate humans. Black likes Goku and inspires to be like him in power, while Zamasu hates Goku's guts and calls him an upstart. Zamasu also never saw Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, he was overwhelmed just by Super Saiyan 2 Goku's power. Other than their similar ki and goals, there was nothing linking them as the same person.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#43261: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:27:18 AM

Is it really that hard to believe there can be 2 Zamasu's? Present Zamasu (the one who's started to corrupt) and Future Zamasu (the corrupted immortal). Black is neither Zamasu, but is related to Future Zamasu in some way.

edited 28th Aug '16 3:27:37 AM by Rinsankajugin

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#43262: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:32:11 AM

There's more than two timelines you know. And then there's a possibility of new timelines we haven't seen.

If this were following the same logic of the manga, Trunks' trip in Super would have caused the present timeline to split again, adding at least one more to the mix.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#43263: Aug 28th 2016 at 4:40:46 AM

I don't see why Zamasu would want to look like Goku and even call himself Goku. I don't see the point in it even if Black was somehow present or future Zamasu. It isn't like when Baby possessed Vegeta he went around calling himself Vegeta to fool people. And again, Black really doesn't act like Zamasu outside of hating mortals.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#43264: Aug 28th 2016 at 4:45:59 AM

I just don't understand how Black knows so much about everyone. It's almost like he used to be a member of the supporting cast, or something.

At this rate, my terrible wild theory is that this is all some kind of elaborate ruse by Whis to teach Goku and Vegeta that lesson they didn't learn in RF. And that's how Black knows everything.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#43265: Aug 28th 2016 at 8:38:43 AM

[up] That would be amazing. Not for all the dead people in the future timeline of course. But still pretty amazing.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#43266: Aug 28th 2016 at 9:21:07 AM

Black be zombie Goku yo.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#43267: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:28:03 AM

So Vegeta jobs, nothing new to see here.

However, for all the comments on it, Trunks and Mai were not in a relationship, which makes a bit of sense since their interactions painted them as close but necessarily romantic.

Kekekekek

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43268: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:33:50 AM

Dude, spoilers.

Besides, Goku isn't doing any better.

edited 28th Aug '16 10:34:02 AM by Cortez

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43269: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:51:50 AM

So Vegeta jobs, nothing new to see here.

Tell that to the Vegeta fanboys. They seem to have blocked out all the times he worfed in Dragon Ball.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#43270: Aug 28th 2016 at 10:53:38 AM

As the Vegeta fanboy, I'm okay with this.

He didn't just get overpowered or anything. In fact, he got the upper hand when he got serious. He just got blindsided because by a Sauzer Blade.

Rationalization is the name of the game when Vegeta is your favorite character in fiction.

edited 28th Aug '16 10:53:58 AM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#43271: Aug 28th 2016 at 11:01:06 AM

He also had the bad luck of facing Black after Goku, which meant he was stronger. If Vegeta had faced him first back then, I think he'd have finished it when he had the chance instead of toying around to test him....though I might be giving him too much credit. When it comes to fighting Goku, Vegeta does tend to enjoy the battle too much himself if the Buu saga rematch and Copy Vegeta are anything to go by.

So Zamasu and Black are separate beings, but Black's existence and Zamasu's apparent immortality (of a different kind then the longevity he already has it seems) mean there are still a lot of mysteries. To say nothing of which Zamasu this even is since alternate timelines are in effect.

....Was it just me, or were the people rather chill about the dude who looks identical to Black going around? It seems Mai recognized him as the real Goku (which is weird since I assumed Trunks would have mentioned he died in the past timeline as well)

Well, more mysteries explained next week.

One Strip! One Strip!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#43272: Aug 28th 2016 at 11:29:07 AM

Mai would have remembered the original Goku, and she knew Trunks was going to the past. She also knows about the Dragonballs. She could easily put 2 and 2 together. So, I'm not surprised she's not surprised to see him.

But yeah, one would think the others would be just a bit more leery of Goku. Sure, he's with Trunks, but he also looks exactly like the guy who's been killing the world.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43273: Aug 28th 2016 at 11:43:44 AM

I also liked Vegeta bringing food and supplies to the survivors.

[up]x3

Yeah, Black only seems to get stronger when he fights Goku.

edited 28th Aug '16 11:45:11 AM by Cortez

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#43274: Aug 28th 2016 at 11:44:27 AM

I'm still wondering what's the secret behind Black's constant power growth. He seems to be getting stronger and stronger for no real reason.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#43275: Aug 28th 2016 at 11:46:02 AM

We know the reason. It's the "why" we don't know yet.


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