That S needs to be lower case.
And yeah, while I haven't watched the clips, I'm seeing them on youtube right now.
One Strip! One Strip!Huh. Never thought to look there... o_o I mean I've never seen them there before.
Well, anyway, YAJIROBE. "Goku you're alive?" "Yeah!" "Are we like going to talk about this?" "Sorry, got to go fight Evil Future Me ttyl!"
Why does every piece of meat in Dragonball look like a hamhock? At least I think they're hamhocks. They look freaking delicious... I mean they can't taste all that good in a post-apocalyptic future beset upon by an angry god, but still, they look Delicious.
I've got it! Super Saiyan Guns and Roses! I am officially happy with this name change! Thank you Fuji TV!
Okay, it's getting scary how similar Super and DB Multiverse are right now. Like they just had a weird spirit sword-like technique.
This is the first time we've seen Goku use SSB in his normal outfit. It looks better with his ROF outfit though.
GOOD AND EVIL HALF. F'CKING CALLED IT. Or maybe it's his apprentice from another dentist, I'm not sure, but from those smug facial expressions, I'm betting it's a Piccolo/Kami situation!
edited 27th Aug '16 9:20:17 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Gohan's form against Dabra, Fat Boo and the Z Sword may be a controversial debate, but I wouldn't exactly say it's an ambiguous one.
I won't go into the full details of the debate because there is a lot of information to cover in terms of in-universe, but in terms of official statements we have multiple sources saying he was a Super Saiyan 1 (Daizenshuu 2, GT Perfect Files, Tenkaichi game bios) and one that says he DID use Super Saiyan 2 (Daizenshuu 7). It should be noted that while the Daizenshuu differ on this between volumes, Daizenshuu 2 covers the manga exclusively, while Daizenshuu 7 covers all parts of the franchise. This is important because the anime used Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 design sheet and added extra lines of dialogue to make it clear Gohan was using Super Saiyan 2.
Also, the GT Perfect Files are a curious one because despite being created for GT, the continuity nightmare, they have a surprising amount of attention to the manga and are honestly more accurate to the manga than GT itself is.
So, we've got a manga-based guidebook calling him a Super Saiyan and explicitly saying he didn't use Super Saiyan 2 after the tournament. A mixed source guidebook says that Dabra had a battle with Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, which he did in the anime.
As for the argument that Gohan needs to be a Super Saiyan 2 to stand up to Dabra, that ignores a few factors: Goku's comparison was not exact, and Cell's strength can vary a lot even in his perfect form. At the level Goku fought him, he was noticeably stronger than Goku but weaker than Super Saiyan 1 Gohan.
We don't know how his "true power" compares to Super Saiyan 1 Gohan, but it is woefully inadequate against Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Even if Dabra was that strong, I doubt that Gohan would struggle that much if he were using Super Saiyan 2. And Dabra was said to be no match for Cell Games Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, so he probably isn't SPC level.
Vegeta also claimed to be able to defeat Dabra, something Goku agreed with, before Goku learned that Vegeta had Super Saiyan 2. Vegeta also hadn't surpassed Cell Games Gohan before the Majin boost.
Provided Gohan hasn't backslid so much as to be weaker than Cell Games Goku, he can certainly fight with a Perfect Cell level foe. Some people take the stance that Goku had to be comparing Dabra to Cell at his best, but his statement is a lot more vague than that.
Honestly, I'm baffled by the idea that Gohan was purposely not using Super Saiyan 2.
Why would he hold back? It makes more sense to go all out and defeat Dabura quickly.
One Strip! One Strip!"Purposely" may not be the right word. Despite the tournament, later scenes say he's unable to access his full power, which might apply to Super Saiyan 2 (it's possible Toriyama retconned that, looking at F he certainly writes a rusty Gohan as only capable of Super Saiyan 1) as well.
There's also the part where he says Super Saiyan 2 would fill up Boo's egg quicker. It might only apply to two opponents of that tier facing off (Vegeta vs Goku) or it might mean that using the form would have fueled Boo through the energy loss.
Did the anime really say that he was using SSJ 2? I'm fairly sure the latin dub didn't - I think the only time they mentioned the forms by name was when Goku was doing the demonstration for Buu.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari![]()
True, except from what I could tell, Dabura wasn't actually doing enough damage to Gohan to get any energy from him at all (though I'm basing this on the anime version where Dabura manages to land some blows).
So if he wasn't hurting him enough to get energy in base, and wasn't hurting him enough to get energy in Super Saiyan 1, then really, there's no reason not to use 2 and completely waste Dabura.
edited 27th Aug '16 9:19:13 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!I see.
If I re-call correctly, the pod doesn't work that way. The energy has to come explicitly from damage inflicted. That's why Babidi was so frustrated by how Goku and Vegeta plowed through his goons with nary a scratch.
Bah. This whole thing is confusing. Lets just say Toriyama didn't think about it and toss the whole conversation. It barely qualifies as an argument since it's not really made clear.
One Strip! One Strip!
(2) The one that's not blowing up cities.
Could ask the same thing about K and P.
The Evil Half went around and terrorized humans for kicks. The Good Half rolled up a blunt, kicked up his feet, befriended a magical genie, and did frack-all until Goku came up to see him.
As shown with Piccolo just being part of the bad half doesn't make you incapable of change. Kami seemed to show apathy and Piccolo Jr showed compassion. Maybe Zamasu despite the Hope Spot and the warnings from his master ultimately just chose evil.
Either that or Black is a clone. And I don't think anybody wants to see another clone. Toyble already did that in Dragonball AF.
That or he's Captain Ginyu. Future Captain Ginyu. Inducted into Kaioshin Palpatine's evil embrace and empowered by the Rosy Side of the Force.
edited 27th Aug '16 9:31:53 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!...I suppose that's a good point. However in this context it makes no sense for Zamasu to split and honestly it seems far more likely that Black is just future Goku's body empowered and made evil by Zamasu than for them to be the same person at this point.
edited 27th Aug '16 9:40:40 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.I'm 50-50 on that. It could very well be Future Goku revived, but I don't buy that Zamasu made him evil. I mean this is Goku we're talking about. I'd buy that Zamasu took over his body somehow, but that seems to be out of the picture.
Since this arc brought back Future Trunks, and the Android Saga was where the Kami/Piccolo separation was brought back up - at this point, I see that as more than just a coincidence.
If Black was just acting on Zamasu's behalf, Zamasu doesn't have to dirty his hands or let his master know that he's killing anyone - Goku Black could be acting as "some mortal killing machine," just like how the Kaioshin/Beerus ignored Freeza, Gowasu would ignore Black. But there's still the matter of "why go to Trunks's timeline in the first place?"
edited 27th Aug '16 10:42:14 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!The one I saw didn't have subtitles, but again, just because you're the good half doesn't make you virtuous. If the technical evil half can change (and Piccolo must count because Kami can still fuse with him instead of Piccolo Daimao) then I don't see why the good half can't.
Zamasu wants to kill Goku? Because Goku made him look like a peasant before and he wants payback. As for being unnoticed this is not the first time a Dragonball villain would be caught by their own hubris - we've already seen Zamasu act out in the presence of his master. Maybe teaming up with Black is another example of his personality getting the better of him.
Or maybe that tea Zamasu prepared finally took effect and he's his own man now.
edited 27th Aug '16 10:05:21 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I'm going with Black is Zamasu from an alternate timeline, myself. The multiple timelines still exist. And who knows what happened in some of them?
edited 27th Aug '16 10:32:55 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!

They were standing side by side though.