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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42726: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:45:59 PM

Seriously, I think you two are overthinking this far more than is needed.

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#42727: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:50:42 PM

Not really: the canon Power Levels work fine with Z, but not with Dragon Ball because of certain statements. A non-canon fan-made system of Power Levels can work with Dragon Ball, but conflict with the canon numbers in Z.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42728: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:53:35 PM

That is true.

Like Goku at the start of the series had a power level of 10 according to the datebooks. Which sounds reasonable, until you realize that the farmers in Z had a power level of 10. So, Goku as a kid was only twice as strong as that farmer. Then you look at Goku's feats from before his training with Roshi. He feats are better than Mr. Satan who is quite powerful for a Muggle, and I'm almost certain Mr. Satan is more than twice as strong as that random farmer, meme aside.

edited 10th Aug '16 2:55:51 PM by Ramona122003

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#42729: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:54:58 PM

I love the way people use the "Power levels are bullshit" line. The context gives the quote a very different meaning from what people think it means when they quote it.

Vegeta said it when Piccolo went from weaker than Nappa to stronger than Second Form Freeza for, to him, no reason.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42730: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:56:09 PM

[up]People use that line because of the text, not the context of why it was said.

edited 10th Aug '16 2:56:38 PM by VeryMelon

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42732: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:56:45 PM

The databooks are bullshit anyways. There's no way that someone only twice as strong as a generic farmer can tank bullets and shatter metal axes on their skulls.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42733: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:56:59 PM

Kuwabara 44

Who is that supposed to be? The image won't load properly but I can see Gero's braincase.

Wonder what an Android Maxi-Fusion would be like. 18, plus 17, 16, Gero, and 19. Or maybe Cell, 18, 17, 16, and Gero. Some kind of freakish Frankenstein version of Cell with gold flowing hair and an ascot.

edited 10th Aug '16 2:59:37 PM by Soble

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#42734: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:57:09 PM

[up]x6 Okay one, you just said that both were at a level of 10, while also saying that Goku was twice as strong, and two, Hercule could also beat Early DB Goku's ass, considering that he's actually capable of high-speed movement, and would actually be able to fly on his own if he was actually willing to train, since we did see him fly off the ground a bit when we saw him trying to learn it after Kid Buu was killed.

edited 10th Aug '16 2:58:34 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42735: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:58:42 PM

And Vegeta's context was wrong. Piccolo's power up wasn't out of nowhere. He trained with King Kai and got a major power boost from merging with Nail, the strongest Namekian on the planet.

It was also hypocritical since Vegeta's power boosts was far more BS. Which is the joke b

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42736: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:00:46 PM

How is it hypocritical? Vegeta had no way of knowing that, and he got stronger through an established racial trait.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42737: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:01:01 PM

[up][up]Vegeta didn't see any of that though, you're forgetting. He said the line because he had no way of understanding where Piccolo's new power came from.

It also isn't hypocritical of Vegeta to say that line, because from his perspective he was able to understand why he became stronger during the Namek Saga.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:02:31 PM by VeryMelon

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#42738: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:01:56 PM

Except not really; Vegeta only went to a power level between 30,000 - 50,000 after two Zenkais, when his power level in the Saiyan Saga was 18,000; after a third Zenkai he was possibly still weaker than Frieza in his first form, and a fourth Zenkai only brought him up to maybe 10 times what he was at, which was still weaker than Frieza using 5% of his power in his true form and Goku's post-Zenkai power level of 3 million. Contrast that to Piccolo going from a power level of 3500 to over 1 million in a matter of months (Vegeta wasn't aware of the fusion with Nail), and he kind of has a right to be pissed off.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:04:01 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42739: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:03:48 PM

Mr. Satan got taken out with a bullet when Goku was bulletproof even as a child. He also broke a stack of brinks with one finger, while Mr. Satan had to focus to do the same thing.

Even at the start of the series, Goku has better feats than Mr. Satan.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:12:44 PM by Ramona122003

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#42740: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:04:57 PM

See, I'm pretty sure the bullet-proof thing wasn't because of Goku being stronger, and more because Saiyans are just naturally more durable than humans are. Do recall that Roshi was also stronger than him when he started training him and Krillin, and both him and Krillin had Launch's bullets go straight through them (as a gag), whereas they don't go through Goku at all.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:06:50 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42741: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:07:31 PM

I didn't forget anything.

The joke was that Vegeta was calling BS on Piccolo's huge power gain, when himself got two huge power gains. And even Abridge called the Saiyans' ability to grow stronger from near death unfair BS using Krillin.

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#42742: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:10:45 PM

No, Krillin and Roshi tanked Launch's assault rifle just as well as Goku did: with minor bruising.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42743: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:11:20 PM

That just shows that Krillin and Master Roshi were stronger than Mr. Satan since neither of them are Saiyans and survived Launch machine gunning them, when Satan went down to a pistol. And Goku was flash stepping in the third episode of Dragon Ball.

There is nothing shown that Mr. Satan is stronger than kid Goku. It's literally the opposite going by feats.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42744: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:11:53 PM

Abridge Vegeta's joke wouldn't have happened if he knew about Piccolo's training and Nail's fusion with him. That's why it was made.

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#42745: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:12:10 PM

[up][up]Exactly.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:12:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#42746: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:13:36 PM

...except it's not; one Zenkai after his beating on Earth brought him up to a power level of 24,000, a second one after Zarbon brought him up to anywhere between 30,000 to 50,000 at the max, a third one after his pummeling from Recoome (along with some rest afterwards) brought him up to the point where he could slightly rival Frieza in his first form, and a fourth one after he let Krillin nearly kill him to try and actually exploit the Zenkai boost, which was actually the first time he willingly did that, made him stronger than literally everyone else there, but he was still below Goku after his big Zenkai and Frieza using 5% of his true power.

And again, watch that gag again; Roshi and Krillin both had the bullets go through them, but Goku never had that happen to him. Even then, it was still treated as a gag, just as much as Goku being able to leave Boss Rabbit and his men on the fucking Moon to make moon cakes for the children there, even though we know that Goku can't breathe in space.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:16:14 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42747: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:19:01 PM

Where is this 5% keep coming from? Frieza never said he used only 5% of his power to beat Vegeta. Once more, where was it said that Vegeta's power jump was only 50,000?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#42748: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:21:41 PM

Because he was still weaker than Monster Zarbon and Recoome, who we know are below 60,000.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42749: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:22:45 PM

Look at the screen again. The bullets didn't go through them at all. It bruised them. The same thing happened to Goku when Bulma shot him and you see a dark mark on his head. The same thing happened when Bulma took out a machine gun and shot Goku. You saw dark marks all over his body.

And the Boss Rabbit is a poor example since we know it's a gag since it was said Saiyans can't survive in space.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#42750: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:23:11 PM

Because, he was weaker than Recoome after his second Zenkai boost, seeing as how that massive beatdown and Final Crash he used on him amounted to nothing more than destroying Recoome's armor; compare that to Goku who knocks him the fuck out with one elbow to the gut. Also, 5% Frieza's true power is what he was using on Goku, which would be equal to a power level of 6 million; 1% of his power would probably be equal to his power level in his second restriction form, which we know for a fact that Vegeta was stronger than, so I see Frieza using maybe 2-3% of his power at most, or a power level between 2.4 and 3.6 million.

Also, considering how Vegeta had a power level of 30,000 when he fought Recoome, and was actually able to impress the Ginyu Force with how strong he had gotten, I think it's a safe bet that Vegeta really was stronger than Monster Zarbon at that point.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:26:57 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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