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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#42626: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:22:43 PM

I don't think Zen-o cares. He could probably create Kaioshin without the tree, and anything they can do he could do as well. He destroyed six universes because he was pissed, so they aren't high on his priority list.

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edited 8th Aug '16 5:23:55 PM by Ikedatakeshi

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#42627: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:28:11 PM

Zeno acts a bit like a kid, doesn't he? He doesn't seem to care about any sort of responsibility.

It's why I'm actually really looking forward to next episode. We might be able to see just what kind of character he is. Is he selfish? Is he a reasonable god? Does he understand the consequences of his actions? We haven't seen enough of him to tell.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42628: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:35:28 PM

This is true.

I suppose we'll see what kind of God Zen-O is soon enough.

That being said, considering the forces of Good tend to be either incompetent, Lazy, completely ineffectual against evil, dead, or Goku, I don't have much hope.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42629: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:53:12 PM

@Deadpoolrocks Marvel Time travel hasn't worked like that in ages, not since Doom created Doom lock. Which is time travel that can affect the present.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42630: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:24:11 PM

We are assuming that Zen-O have the power to created as well destroy. We know he can destroy the multiverse, but nothing has been said about creating life. So he probably can't create other gods. He can only appoint them.

This is true. I suppose we'll see what kind of God Zen-O is soon enough. That being said, considering the forces of Good tend to be either incompetent, Lazy, completely ineffectual against evil, dead, or Goku, I don't have much hope.

No good character have been shown as explicitly lazy. The Kais can't interfere in the mortal realm unless they threatened the universe, Kami couldn't do a thing against Piccolo since he can't kill himself, Denda does his best, but doesn't have the power to fight monsters, and the Supreme Kai did try to stop Buu, but was held back by the fact that no one listened to him.

Incompetent, the only good god character shown to be incompetent was U7's Supreme Kai, and he was inexperience, and he was railroaded by Vegeta.

Completely ineffective, Kami against Piccolo, Jr and Supreme Kai against Buu, sure. But the heroes hardly did better against those beings.

edited 8th Aug '16 6:30:49 PM by Ramona122003

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#42631: Aug 8th 2016 at 7:01:41 PM

Zeno isn't one above all. Toribot is one above all.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#42632: Aug 8th 2016 at 7:03:01 PM

I think Toribot might have been retconned out at this point.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#42633: Aug 8th 2016 at 7:05:25 PM

Zeno has the same body structure, anyway.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42634: Aug 8th 2016 at 7:24:03 PM

Well, there's also the Earth Government against the Red Ribbon Army, who would have taken over the world if Goku hadn't beaten them up because they were in his way.

And the Galactic Patrol couldn't do dick against Frieza at all, and he have conquered the universe if hadn't taken that trip to Namek (or if he'd had the option to just go to Earth first).

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#42635: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:31:46 PM

Which are both, again, ineffective and possibly incompetent, but not lazy.

I can't think of a single force for good who actually does have the power to stomp evil but refuses to do so (Beerus I count as neutral).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42636: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:34:05 PM

Alright then.

So the forces of Good are both impotent and incompetent, but not lazy.

Fair enough.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42637: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:35:06 PM

[up](2) Goku and Vegeta both to a degree.

edited 8th Aug '16 8:35:53 PM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42638: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:39:52 PM

Most of the time they don't know about it.

Vegeta had planned to take out frieza (granted, he'd have been worse but still) but lacked the power to do so. Everything he did on Earth and then Namek was for the sake of that goal.

Goku never knew about the Red Ribbon, Piccolo, the Saiyans, Frieza or Buu until they came to him, and only knew about the Androids became he was warned ahead of time.

As I've said before, most villains only get foiled by Goku because what they want brings them into his line of sight and eventually leads to him deciding he needs to kick their asses (or just fight them for shits and giggles). If not for that happening multiple times, the universe would be royally screwed.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42639: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:46:54 PM

You know wishing for immortality to defeat Freeza might not have worked anyway now that i think about it.

Vegeta would still have not been strong enough to beat him at that time.

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#42640: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:47:42 PM

No, but he'd get a shit-ton of Zenkais by by constantly getting his ass kicked.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42641: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:48:38 PM

Yeah. but he could still be brought to the point of death and get Zenkai. The point is that his racial attribute combined with immortality ensured that he'd live long enough to actually become powerful enough to beat Frieza eventually.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42642: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:51:15 PM

Yeah, he didn't expect to be able to beat him right away.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42643: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:55:55 PM

However, Vegeta doesn't have the benefit of Dende's healing or senzu beans. Freeza might not be able to kill Vegeta, but he'd get off every night breaking Vegeta apart and leaving him to recover for weeks/months without the aid of magical healing.

Worse still, unless the immortality wish automatically restores missing limbs, Freeza could just chop off Vegeta's limbs and keep him tied up somewhere begging for death. He might get stronger, but by that point it's pretty much I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream.

That wish could have seriously backfired to say the least.

edited 8th Aug '16 8:57:49 PM by Soble

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42644: Aug 8th 2016 at 9:02:17 PM

When the characters were talking about "immortality" it seemed what most of them were going for was "invincibility plus not dying of old age or disease".

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42645: Aug 8th 2016 at 9:15:47 PM

Alright then. So the forces of Good are both impotent and incompetent, but not lazy. Fair enough.

Frieza is a poor example since nothing short of a legend stopped him. There is a reason why Beerus was shocked that someone took him out, and Buu was even stronger with regeneration abilities. And the Supreme Kai did stop Buu rampage the first time by killing Bidibi before he could awakening Buu. King Piccolo was also stopped by Roshi's master, and the Red Ribbon Army never came close to taking over the world. They were only slightly more competent than Pilaf. Red was going to use the Dragon Balls to wish to be taller and Gero couldn't even control his own androids.

edited 8th Aug '16 9:21:49 PM by Ramona122003

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42646: Aug 8th 2016 at 9:22:05 PM

To be honest, Red didn't need the wish the take over the world. His army was already powerful enough to take out everything everywhere on earth. So him wanting be taller and look cool isn't as crazy as you'd think, up until the point where some monkey tailed little bastard started fucking up everything he'd built and made it so that such a pointless wish was far too petty for what they'd lost.

You make a good point about the Piccolo thing. Frieza as well.

I'd forgotten about Pilaf though. Had Bulma not met Goku (and more importantly, Oolong) Pilaf would have won back then. There was no one to stop him. There was no one who even knew he needed to be stopped.

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#42647: Aug 8th 2016 at 9:24:56 PM

I just always assumed that Vegeta or Freeza would've been completely screwed over and gotten Roshi's version of immortality.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42648: Aug 8th 2016 at 9:29:02 PM

Considering how Shenron and Porunga operate, If they couldn't give the wisher exactly what they wanted, they'd probably just ask them straight up.

I see no reason to assume they'd be made immortal like Roshi because Roshi's immortality goes back to an entirely different source.

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#42649: Aug 8th 2016 at 9:32:16 PM

It's also the only form of immortality we've ever seen in the series and, as such, is the only example of immortality for us to go off of. No reason to assume that another form even exists.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#42650: Aug 8th 2016 at 9:34:10 PM

No reason to assume it doesn't.

Toriyama just hasn't bothered with having another form of immortality yet, but that doesn't mean there's only one type of immortality.

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