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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42351: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:26:52 AM

"Human" in Dragon Ball has been used to refer to humanoid races consistently in the manga. Both Saiyans and Freeza's men are considered human (even Ginyu uses the term to refer to himself and Goku).

The Dragon Ball term for Homo sapien specifically has been "Earthling" ever since other races were introduced. So that's why Goku was called a human in the recent Super episode.

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#42352: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:48:59 AM

See guys? Humans in Dragon Ball are awesome! It's Earthlings that are shit comparatively! tongue

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#42353: Aug 2nd 2016 at 4:18:20 AM

And even then they're still better than real life humans. After all, a completely normal human survived getting bitchslapped by Cell.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#42354: Aug 2nd 2016 at 4:31:35 AM

[up][up][up]Thas really weird, but alright...each series has its own rules and whatnot.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42355: Aug 2nd 2016 at 4:44:39 AM

Just think of "human" meaning "person" instead of a biological distinction. It's partially a translation thing on top of it being a DB thing, the Japanese word for human doesn't have identical connotations to the English word.

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#42356: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:37:53 AM

Dats why I just think of it as "mortals"

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42357: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:46:21 AM

Heh. Yeesh. I know this is probably not how it's supposed to be interpreted, but I can't help but feel that this whole all mortal races are humans thing is just so that Toriyama can say Humans don't suck, while still letting Earthlings suck.

But even I think that's going too far.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42358: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:50:01 AM

They used the terminology well before it was revealed that the Earthlings suck because they don't have sweet alien genes

It also isn't "mortals" because it is used in contexts other than distinguishing them from gods - Ginyu uses it as a general term to group him and Goku by, Vegeta uses it to distinguish between the human form of Saiyans and Oozaru form, etc

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#42359: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:51:28 AM

I was speaking specifically on how Zamosu used it in the latest episode to distinguish him from the likes of Goku.

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#42360: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:52:04 AM

It works fine as 'mortal' in the context of a god disliking them.

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#42361: Aug 2nd 2016 at 7:07:57 AM

Have a Ginyu Force Pose.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#42362: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:18:09 AM

Vegeta is way too short to be in Recoome's place.

edited 2nd Aug '16 9:18:21 AM by LordVatek

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#42363: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:06:25 PM

Everyone is way too short to be in Recoome's spot. Recoome's freaking huge.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42364: Aug 2nd 2016 at 2:07:47 PM

So is Burter. It's obviously not one to one.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42365: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:13:42 PM

I like the general theme of Trunks being depressed that his life is shit but being genuinely happy to see other people happy, and to know he had a hand in allowing that happiness to happen.

He's going to need that, cause with his luck I wouldn't be surprised if they defeated Black only for Alt. Beerus to show up and annihilate the place because everything's too brown and dusty.

edited 2nd Aug '16 9:36:15 PM by KnownUnknown

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42366: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:18:57 PM

I now consider it canon....

What if Trunks is asked to compete in the Multiverse tournament. Maybe the prize is a little help to restore Future Bulma and Mai, and fix all the shit Black did?

You, if the opportunity to use the super Dragonballs comes up again. Since they are apparently are planning to give him Super Saiyan Blue (though with his hair now being blue, the only way we'll be able to tell is by the spikes).

Admitedly there's no proof of that, but I figure the training is for something. Plus, with SSB, he'd finally be strong enough to protect the world from anything short of Beerus.

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#42367: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:22:50 PM

Actually, question; has anyone ever actually sensed Shenron or any of the other Eternal Dragons besides just noticing the weather change whenever one of them is summoned? Do Eternal Dragons also possess God Ki?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42368: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:26:28 PM

I don't think anyone has sensed Shenron.

But nobody misses his arrival because when summoned, the clouds and wacky weather conditions appear across the entire planet.

Porunga is the same (though Frieza almost did miss it because the planet was already being ravaged by storms when he was summoned).

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42369: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:47:02 PM

What if Trunks is asked to compete in the Multiverse tournament. Maybe the prize is a little help to restore Future Bulma and Mai, and fix all the shit Black did?

Speaking of which, I think they need to clear up exactly where Trunks' timeline lies in the grand scheme of things before we move forward too much more. They've been describing where he is in relation to the rest of the cosmos in somewhat vague terms so far (stuff like characters still describing him as being from the future, or characters in his timeline describing him as going to the past, when he isn't any more), and it's been starting to bug me.

Technically speaking, Future Trunks shouldn't be eligible for Zeno's tournament as timelines supercede universes - he's not from their Multiverse. There should be an Alt. Beerus, and Alt. Champa, an Alt. Zeno, etc where he comes from, so if there are any tournament invitations to be sent out he would be going to theirs. That said... if Goku says "can we use him?" I don't see Beerus saying no, or Zeno caring at all given what we've seen of him so far.

Also, I guess technically our Beerus is the Alt. Beerus (though on the other other hand, neither Future Trunks' current timeline nor our heroes' timeline is the original anyway).

That also means that if our Zamasu turns evil, starts going by Black and goes on a murder spree throughout the multiverse, it still wouldn't be the same Black that ravaged Trunks' timeline (just like how three distinct Cells appear in the Cell Saga) - hence the discrepancies between the two characters that are baffling the heroes at the moment. Unless for some reason there is unchecked inter-timeline travel and crossing going on and Black really does travel between timelines as well as universes (which, given the Time Breaker stuff, is definitely possible, but seems unlikely given his difficulties in doing so previously), in which case things are going to get a bit confusing.

On the other other other hand, it's possible - if unlikely and totally logic breaking - that they're going to have Trunks' timeline be one of the twelve universes, not for any in-universe reason, but because it strikes me as something a writer could pick as a cop-out narratively easy way to keep Trunks around. Not that I think they will do it - I really doubt it - but its possible.

edited 2nd Aug '16 9:56:40 PM by KnownUnknown

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#42370: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:09:44 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#42371: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:12:03 PM

Well, even though it's completely diverged, the timeline that the main series takes place in is still the past of Trunks's timeline, in that, up until everything with Frieza arriving on earth, they were identical. It's only when Trunks himself interfered (and more than he intended at that) that it began to diverge (while still resembling his past since it was still a Super Saiyan who defeated Frieza, and even with the androids appearing where they were supposed to and who they were supposed to be even if it wasn't both of those things at the same time).

So he's kinda still part of Universe 7, even if he's from an offshoot timeline. Also, due to how important they are, it wouldn't surprise me if Beerus, Whis, etc are all one of a kind, and the ones we see now would be the same ones who appear in Trunks' timeline because that's just how awesome they are.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42372: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:41:44 PM

The heroes are the ones in the offshoot timeline. The original timeline, or the closest one to it, is Cell's. The heroes as we know them the never meet the original Trunks, and the audience only sees him in Cell's flashbacks (it's a bit of weirdness that occurs due to two time travellers running around semi-simultaneously).

The point where the timelines diverged in regards to the heroes' timeline is the point where Cell arrived in the past, which I think is around the time Goku defeated Freeza on Namek (which, it's worth noting, is different from the point where Cell affects Trunks' timeline). The heroes' timeline could only be considered the past of Trunks' timeline up until the point where Cell arrived, after which point they're effectively two different universes of their own - Trunks, when leaving in Super to arrive in our heroes' time, is not travelling to the past of his own timeline, he's travelling to an alternate Earth where events happened that never happened on his.

Or in short, he (or at least a Trunks) was initially travelling to the past of his own timeline, but he's not any more. His time machine presumably still has the ability to do so, but he's not using it.

Trunks' timeline is a Universe 7, but it's not the same Universe 7 as the heroes' - the Kais and Beerus, as we've seen, are distinct from the ones we've met, and if he were to go into the multiverse there would probably be a different Champa, a different Zeno, etc.

edited 2nd Aug '16 11:24:56 PM by KnownUnknown

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#42373: Aug 3rd 2016 at 1:16:51 AM

So Launch has small a cameo in the second issue of the Kingpin comic.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#42374: Aug 3rd 2016 at 2:19:16 AM

Cell's timeline wouldn't be the original timeline since Cell said that Trunks killed Frieza and King Cold. In the original timeline, Goku killed them.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#42375: Aug 3rd 2016 at 2:36:38 AM

That's not true. There is one line that implies Trunks killed Freeza/Cold in Cell's timeline and it's a plothole.

Because Cell's timeline is identical to future Trunks' aside from the changes Cell makes from his travelling. When future Trunks returns to his timeline, he confronts Cell and reveals that this is how it went down in Cell's timeline, except this Trunks is prepared for it.

Cell's timeline still had Goku die of a heart virus, the Androids kill everyone else, and Trunks travel to and from the past to defeat the Androids. Cell's time travel is responsible for the changes in the present timeline and future Trunks' journey - Cell messing with the past is the reason that Trunks learns about him, and becomes powerful enough to stand up to him in his own timeline.


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