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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4151: Dec 21st 2013 at 7:08:44 PM

I know there are other times it's used but this is the only instance I remember off hand and he says "next dimension."

edited 21st Dec '13 7:10:05 PM by Nikkolas

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#4152: Dec 21st 2013 at 7:14:10 PM

...okay, that's really weird. I thought it'd just be coming from the characters who actually know about Otherworld. At this stage, Vegeta shouldn't.

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#4153: Dec 21st 2013 at 8:36:06 PM

I forget, why did 17 and 18 decide to kill Goku? They're hardly obedient to Gero.

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#4154: Dec 21st 2013 at 8:37:22 PM

In the original series? They were doing it because they were programmed to, after the fall of the Red Ribbon Army at the hands of Goku.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4155: Dec 21st 2013 at 8:43:30 PM

They had nothing really better to do.

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#4156: Dec 21st 2013 at 8:48:13 PM

16 was programmed to, and wouldn't shut up about it, so 17 and 18 thought it'd be fun to help him. Well, 17 thought it'd be fun, 18 just wanted to get it done with.

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#4157: Dec 21st 2013 at 8:55:38 PM

So how come Android 16 never even tries to kill Goku? They were in the same place at times, no?

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#4158: Dec 21st 2013 at 8:56:48 PM

Because Cell was the bigger problem.

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#4159: Dec 21st 2013 at 9:02:52 PM

Goku tries to shake his hand at the Cell Games when he's introduced to him, and 16 tells him that he plans to kill Goku after the Cell Games are over.

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#4160: Dec 21st 2013 at 9:20:35 PM

Sheesh, it's hard to take 16's whole "peaceful and gentle" thing seriously. I know he's programmed, but still.

You'd think Bulma and her father could have re-programmed him or something while repairing him and removing the bomb.

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#4161: Dec 21st 2013 at 9:28:13 PM

Probably not, Bulma says Gero's work is too much for her and all she does is handle physical repairs to 16 and replicate the remote he made. Given that even Gero had problems with his programming, she'd likely fuck it up.

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#4162: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:02:56 PM

"Well, the good news is that I was able to find the programming that compels 16 to kill Goku. The bad news is, I think the only part I was able to delete from that is 'Goku'."

edited 21st Dec '13 11:03:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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#4163: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:15:30 PM

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#4165: Dec 22nd 2013 at 7:56:39 AM

Kinda of funny when you think about it:

Gero sealed 16 away because he couldn't fully control him (that was the reason right?), but 16 was still more than willing to kill Goku.

And yet, when the time came to do so, he put it off because there was a greater threat around.

At the same time, despite the fact that he could choose not to kill Goku, Bulma and her Dad still couldn't do anything to remove the part of his programming that made him want to kill Goku.

No one can make 16 do what they want except 16, and yet his free will seems to be limited.

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#4166: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:11:03 PM

I'm pretty new to the forums, and I know I'll get a lot of hate for asking this and changing the subject, but I noticed how it's only Chi-Chi who gets singled out by the fans for being an "abusive" mother towards Gohan (she was even listed on the Abusive Parents trope for "giving Gohan hard homework" and on the Mommy Issues trope) but parents who acted worse than her (Cell Saga Vegeta, Bardock, and Vegeta's father) get little to no criticism (fans even whitewash them).

Now I understand Chi-Chi was incredibly annoying and overprotective in the earlier seasons (and pretty selfish sometimes with the whole "education being important than saving the world" thing), but at least she always loved her sons and she learns her lesson and stops smothering Gohan in the Buu Saga and becomes a better person, but fans still think she's an irredeemable bitch despite all this (heck even Yamcha gets bashed and demonized in fanfics along with her, and he's a nice guy!)

edited 22nd Dec '13 3:12:35 PM by karynnm

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#4167: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:20:00 PM

Ymacha isn't basehed because he's a nice guy, Yamcha is bashed because he's yamcha.

Hell, the abridged series doesn't even bother giving him a fail count like krillen, because it wouldn't matter.

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#4168: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:29:22 PM

Vegeta is a dick to some teenage douchebag who says he's his son from the future and got to be Super Saiyan before him, Bardock was a dad for all of five minutes, and King Vegeta is...a king.

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#4169: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:32:42 PM

[up] Well, Vegeta was being a bad father to Baby Trunks, by ignoring him and Bulma because they were bothering him. And who lets their kid get raised by a complete stranger?

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#4170: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:33:33 PM

Well, yeah, but pre-Buu Saga Vegeta was still a douchebag. And I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with the second one.

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#4171: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:37:57 PM

No one talking about Cooler?

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#4173: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:41:01 PM

[up][up][up] That's what the OP said. That it was only Cell Saga Vegeta who was a shitty father. I was talking about Bardock in the last sentence.

I think the OP (post 4166) is saying that it's pretty unfair to bash and demonize only one parent for being imperfect, when other parents of the show are far from good as well, and I agree.

edited 22nd Dec '13 3:41:23 PM by MsCC93

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4174: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:41:47 PM

Ya know, King Piccolo was a good father. At least he seemed genuinely upset when his "children" were killed.

Paragus wasn't a very good daddy either. Shame about him being crushed like a tin can though, that must have really hurt. Probably one of the uglier deaths in DB.

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#4175: Dec 22nd 2013 at 3:43:04 PM

[up][up]Bardock probably had the same thing happen to him. Probably thousands of Saiyans were sent to random planets as children to cut their teeth in the art of murder, so why would Bardock think there was anything wrong with it?

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