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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#41601: Jul 10th 2016 at 4:00:13 PM

@Soble Gohan was the one holding the fort while they waited for Goku and Vegeta.

@Lolypop: Nothing in the preview said he wasn't training. Though he's training with Piccolo, so he probably won't get dramatically stronger.

edited 10th Jul '16 4:01:46 PM by Cortez

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#41602: Jul 10th 2016 at 4:22:01 PM

Gojira, I am curious, are you replying to my post?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#41603: Jul 10th 2016 at 4:23:17 PM

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you were replying too, since absolutely no one was talking about Xenoverse at all; we were still stuck on Super.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#41604: Jul 10th 2016 at 5:08:23 PM

Do you know what a joke is?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#41605: Jul 10th 2016 at 5:09:03 PM

Yes, I know what a joke is, and yours barely qualified as one.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#41606: Jul 10th 2016 at 5:12:31 PM

Speaking of X2, I think I'll make my main person as close to an android as possible. If there's an X3, I'll go Buu. That way my games will have the proper progression of Fr(ost Demon)eiza => Android => Buu for its heroes. If we manage to get a fourth game... well space cats'll probably be playable by then.

edited 10th Jul '16 5:13:38 PM by Zeromaeus

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#41607: Jul 10th 2016 at 5:35:51 PM

@Gojira

Hm...

Gimme a minute.

Ah, here it is!

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ede_1053.jpg

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#41608: Jul 10th 2016 at 5:36:48 PM

...was being serious; that wasn't even remotely close to a joke.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#41609: Jul 10th 2016 at 6:46:50 PM

[up][up]So a person pointing out your unfunny jokes = trolling now?

I hope that's a joke.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41610: Jul 10th 2016 at 6:47:35 PM

Gohan was the one holding the fort while they waited for Goku and Vegeta.

"Holding the fort" really meaning "being humiliated by Freeza".

I will be repeat what should have never needed to be said in the first place: if he's not supposed to be a fighter, stop putting him in the fights.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41611: Jul 10th 2016 at 6:48:27 PM

What joke are you all talking about? I honestly didn't notice one.

edited 10th Jul '16 6:48:54 PM by LSBK

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#41612: Jul 10th 2016 at 6:50:14 PM

"No, we have to make sure you know how shitty he is now. Then you'll finally shut the fuck up and love Goku and Vegeta."

My various fanfics.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41613: Jul 10th 2016 at 7:33:57 PM

Black is totally giving me Emperor Joker flashes now. I've always thought that sort of thing has the potential to be an interesting motivation, though it seems to generally end up insincere. Though then again, Trunks calls it bullshit for a reason.

As long as it's not like Count Bleck and he thinks the universe needs to be purged of life because he had a failed relationship or something.

Man, Future Trunks came just a tiny bit creepy this episode.

Lol, yeah, just a bit. It was hilarious. Especially when they cut away to other stuff for like a whole minute, and then they cut back and everyone else is gone, but he's still gazing into her eyes.

edited 10th Jul '16 7:39:36 PM by KnownUnknown

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41614: Jul 10th 2016 at 7:42:17 PM

Dang, man...living through the plot of Romeo & Juliet would make anyone want to purge the universe.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#41615: Jul 10th 2016 at 7:45:41 PM

On another note, I thought for sure this would be the episode where the Pilaf Gang's secret comes out. Though I don't see it staying hidden past this arc regardless - someone's going to find out, though I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up being a Secret-Keeper (like, if Future Trunks found out and then left for his timeline.

Speaking of timelines, I'd be funny if they fixed Cell's time machine and used it to go to the future, but ended up in the future of the current timeline accidentally because someone forgot to calibrate it or something.

edited 10th Jul '16 7:57:40 PM by KnownUnknown

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#41616: Jul 10th 2016 at 8:15:08 PM

That doesn't seem to be the case, since Black evidently has ties to Zamasu.

Also, going by how Bulma is ordering the gang around, she probably already knows.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#41617: Jul 10th 2016 at 8:21:04 PM

I'm just thinking about how potentially interesting Zamasu/Black/if they're actually the same person will be if that is his motivation. The idea that the mortal creations are flawed and terrible and need to be destroyed. It was actually the kind of villain I always really wanted to see in a Dragon Ball series.

Well, my ideal villain was someone who wanted to destroy Goku because they thought he caused an imbalance in the power of the universe by getting too strong too quickly. But this idea is cool, too. Whatever it actually means. If it's explored in detail. I hope it will be.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#41618: Jul 10th 2016 at 8:22:01 PM

Not really.

She notices Mai is talking like an old woman, but doesn't seem to realize why.

They've been rather ambiguous about whether the others know or not. I think it's one of those things that will never be addressed at all, even though there's no effort in doing so one way or another. It's just gonna continue to be an Elephant in the Living Room.

Also, I agree with Saiga about how they need to stop putting Gohan in fights if they just want him to lose so Goku and Vegeta can look good.

If he's done with it, then let him be fucking DONE with it.

edited 10th Jul '16 8:22:13 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#41619: Jul 10th 2016 at 8:30:04 PM

[up] On that last bit, it's not even an issue of making him lose to make Goku and Vegeta look good. The Worf Effect absolutely has its place and can be a very effective tool.

The issue is that it doesn't work when Gohan has been depowered and is no longer comparable to any form of Goku or Vegeta. Defeating him doesn't mean anything, he's well behind the relevant fighters and well behind even his own maximum.

Worfing to Beerus has a point, because as Ultimate Gohan he's both a) at his best and b) during a period where that level is very relevant. It shows that it is going to take something completely different to stand up to Beerus.

But with his powers taken away (despite the fact that they're no longer Story-Breaker Power tier) and Goku/Vegeta growing even story, you don't really get anything out of showing an enemy is capable of beating him.

The reason Vegeta was such a great worf in the manga was because he was allowed to get back up again. When he worfed, he came back stronger, and established that he was stronger before it was time for him to worf again. When Freeza beat down Vegeta, that was something the previous villains couldn't accomplish. When Cell did it, ditto for the Androids and Freeza before him.

But when Freeza beats up a weakened Gohan, it's like... Boo did that. Any form of Boo can do that. Goku/Vegeta could do that since the start of the Boo arc. Beerus beat up an even stronger version of Gohan. Goku and Vegeta are stronger than that Gohan. Who the fuck cares that Freeza can do that?

The Worf Effect doesn't have any meaning when used on nominal non-combatants.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#41620: Jul 10th 2016 at 9:05:32 PM

That's why I don't understand what they were trying to do with Gohan in RF. With the humans and Piccolo, it felt like fanservice to let these long-neglected characters kick ass on screen. With Gohan, they brought him out there to the forefront and let him fight for more than the 10 seconds he got in Battle of Gods, but they also made him look completely incompetent by being the only character that actually got weaker. And for what? So they could have a gold-haired Super Saiyan to merchandise? I don't even know.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#41621: Jul 10th 2016 at 9:51:48 PM

[up]

Seems like it.

I've said for a while that there was no reason to weaken Gohan since the God powers surpassed him anyway. I can only assume that Toriyama really wants to hammer home his decision to push Gohan out of the spotlight.

It's rather overboard.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#41622: Jul 10th 2016 at 10:58:20 PM

Or more like overreaction.

Again, he was still the strongest among them. He's not as strong as Goku or Vegeta, but he's not weak.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41623: Jul 10th 2016 at 11:11:44 PM

Isn't he weaker than Piccoro now?

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#41624: Jul 10th 2016 at 11:23:31 PM

Definitely not in RF. You can only say Piccolo is stronger than Gohan if you really get nitty-gritty into power scaling in the U6 tournament, which I don't. The power levels in that tournament don't really make much sense, so I don't look at them for any sort of evidence.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41625: Jul 10th 2016 at 11:36:35 PM

So...what you're saying is: Freezerator should've punched both Gohand and Piccoro, whoever didn't need a senzu could be classed stronger?

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