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Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
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#40501: Jun 18th 2016 at 9:58:03 AM

Meh, Goku did not use the SSJB X10 Kaioken (IIRC), was still nice to see SSJG.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#40502: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:02:41 AM

Weirdly enough, the chapter states that SSJG Goku is stronger than SSJB Vegeta, and SSJB Goku is even stronger than that.

Oooy vey, Vegeta has some catching up to do...

edited 18th Jun '16 10:02:59 AM by Rinsankajugin

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#40503: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:06:34 AM

You act as if that's a new situation.

It's not. For anyone.

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Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
Fate, guide me
#40504: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:09:05 AM

Poor Vegeta fans.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#40505: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:09:47 AM

I know that Goku is stronger than Vegeta, everybody knows that!

It's the fact that SSJG Goku is stronger than SSJB Vegeta that whiffs me.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40506: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:12:13 AM

Poor Vegeta fans indeed. Still, I'm really happy with this new dragon ball super chapter confirming where Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue stand next to each other. I also like that Goku can enter Super Saiyan God at will.

Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
Fate, guide me
#40507: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:15:03 AM

I'm mixed about it, tbh. It puts the power levels at a weird spot again.

Still, SSJG is nice, so here's that.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40508: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:17:13 AM

This new chapter also confirms Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken is a Toei creation, because Toriyama went for Goku mastering Super Saiyan God instead.

Seems Toei just likes Kaioken being used with the Super Saiyan forms.

EDIT: Oh, and we also have proof of Super Saiyan God Goku> Super Saiyan 1 Goku.

edited 18th Jun '16 10:20:46 AM by VeryMelon

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#40509: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:19:53 AM

[up]

Really?

What's the deal with some of the differences between what Toriyama writes and what Toei puts in?

And why wouldn't he use Kaioken? There's even a great way to bring it back.

Ah well. Toriyama just doing what he wants at this point is hardly a shock.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40510: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:23:01 AM

I feel the manga overall makes more sense than what Toei is doing with the anime.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#40511: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:23:06 AM

Does Goku "outspeed time" (laughs)?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#40512: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:23:32 AM

I thought Toriyama wrote the anime?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40513: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:24:49 AM

[up][up] In the manga, Goku counters time skip by watching Hit's hands. He changes his movements the moment he notices Hit about to use it. Hit doesn't improve his power, but it seems he can power up.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40514: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:25:46 AM

What's the deal with some of the differences between what Toriyama writes and what Toei puts in?

The last time the "What's canon DBS Super Anime vs DBS Super manga" argument came up, we had no verification how much involvement Toriyama had in either project, and neither was more "canon" than the other. We can't say "Toei did that, that's why it didn't make sense!" like everything else.

And while the Hit fight was apparently different from the manga version, I submit that Super Saiyan God Kaioken is infinitely more awesome than Goku "mastering" Super Saiyan God. How does that even make sense? Goku gains the form, trains with Vegeta, and suddenly his SSG is just "better"?

edited 18th Jun '16 10:29:46 AM by Soble

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#40515: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:26:53 AM

Agreed. Super Saiyan Kaioken was too awesome not to pass up.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#40516: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:27:40 AM

SSJB Kaioken x10...

I wonder how fast that will drain our stamina and Ki in Xenoverse 2.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40517: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:28:57 AM

I don't deny the hype levels Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken generated, but it doesn't make too much sense how Goku couldn't do it with Full Power Super Saiyan in the Android Saga.

To me, the manga just makes more sense than a lot of the things Toei did in the anime.

edited 18th Jun '16 10:29:34 AM by VeryMelon

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#40518: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:29:34 AM

I had a feeling the SSJB Kaioken was anime-only after hearing how the Piccolo fight was changed.

Oh well.

edited 18th Jun '16 10:29:46 AM by Hobgoblin

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#40519: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:29:34 AM

[up][up]

Energy drain, I think.

edited 18th Jun '16 10:29:50 AM by AdricDePsycho

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Bolded1 Fate, guide me from behind you!!!!!!!! Since: Mar, 2015
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#40520: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:29:36 AM

[up][up][up][up]Two seconds, top.

I prefer the Kaioken but heh.

edited 18th Jun '16 10:30:44 AM by Bolded1

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#40521: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:31:50 AM

I don't deny the hype levels Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken generated, but it doesn't make too much sense how Goku couldn't do it with Full Power Super Saiyan in the Android Saga.

To be fair, he does use it with Full Power Super Saiyan during the fight with Pikkon. You can just assume that he figured it wouldn't help too much against Cell and Gohan was strong enough to handle it anyway.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#40522: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:33:16 AM

Pikkon stuff was all filler, though.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#40523: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:33:33 AM

So what's the new Kai's name a pun on?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#40524: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:34:06 AM

But Goku dropped out of Super Saiyan God during the Beerus fight in Battle of Gods. For him to suddenly regain it now, did that not happen in the manga version?

I was under the impression that form was gone for good. It's neat that Goku mastered it, but I preferred Goku being a boss and beating a timestop. I mean this is a blatant deviation, so now the manga's going to have Goku not use Super Saiyan Kaioken and, what, his SSGB is going to be the "edge" he needs in later fights?

but it doesn't make too much sense how Goku couldn't do it with Full Power Super Saiyan in the Android Saga.

That was Hand Wave'd with Goku talking about how he could only do it with Super Saiyan God and the ki control it provided. Since he absorbed Beerus's energy ball with SSG, I accept the form having strange abilities.

edited 18th Jun '16 10:40:25 AM by Soble

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#40525: Jun 18th 2016 at 10:34:16 AM

The Pikkon fight is filler though, everything about the Otherworld tournament is. Toei was just lucky Goku was dead at the time.

[up]In the Super manga, Goku never absorbed the power of SSG. The entire Beerus vs Goku fight had Goku stay in SSG until the very end. He never fought in Base or in SSJ.

edited 18th Jun '16 10:35:13 AM by VeryMelon


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