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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#40151: Jun 12th 2016 at 12:15:17 AM

Krill-fish was also directly killed by Freezerator when he was impaled by him.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#40152: Jun 12th 2016 at 12:20:30 AM

He did briefly fight Tambourine, at least in the anime. It was a swift battle.

Also, Krillin was freaking out about Frieza's return during the Android Saga, much like he was in the Resurrection 'F' Saga. The different being is that by the time he saw Frieza in the Android Saga, Trunks had cut him to bits.

I also personally thought it was strange that Krillin had a muted reaction upon seeing Frieza in the movie and how Frieza didn't seem to care about Krillin despite him being the reason why Goku lost it. I liked that Super added their interaction in.

edited 12th Jun '16 12:21:14 AM by Ramona122003

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#40153: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:08:45 AM

I honestly kind of expected Bulma to die considering that they mentioned the Time Machine thing was a one-off trip.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#40154: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:14:23 AM

I'm a bit more perplexed regarding Mai's death. I'm not seeing why the character was there or featured so heavily in the OP if they were just going to die.

Either Future!Mai's prevelance was a Red Herring, or there's more to her future self than what we got.

I'm interested in all of the new elements in the OP. I'm also surprised the ED didn't change.

edited 12th Jun '16 3:14:34 AM by Zeromaeus

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#40155: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:18:42 AM

Though we are getting young Mai again next week.

edited 12th Jun '16 3:19:23 AM by Cortez

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#40156: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:22:16 AM

...and this was the first time Dr. Brief's cat actually made a sound, wow.

Isn't that just grand?

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#40157: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:12:53 AM

Super Saiyan Blue gels well with Vegeta's classic outfit.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#40158: Jun 12th 2016 at 5:59:35 AM

@Ramona

Krillin isn't the reason Goku lost his shit. Goku lost his shit when Freeza threatened to blow up Gohan too.

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#40159: Jun 12th 2016 at 6:11:01 AM

Krillin is 80% of the reason.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#40160: Jun 12th 2016 at 6:32:30 AM

He really isn't. It's not the first time Krillin dies. If Krillin was the reason Goku went Super Saiyan, Goku would've gone Super Saiyan way back when Krillin was killed the first time.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#40161: Jun 12th 2016 at 6:58:41 AM

Krillin was part of the reason.

  • Freeza injures Piccolo. Goku is unhappy.

  • Freeza straight up murders Krillin. Goku is even less happy.

  • Freeza now threatens to kill Gohan, and Goku realizes there's nothing he can do.

  • Step 4: Super Saiyan.

Gohan was then proverbial Wafer Thin Mint. The straw that broke the Camel's back, but Krillin (along with Piccolo) helped Goku get there.

Edit: You're also forgetting that Goku wasn't strong enough to go Super Saiyan back in the Piccolo saga.

edited 12th Jun '16 6:59:21 AM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#40162: Jun 12th 2016 at 7:08:20 AM

There's nothing ever been said about needing a certain level of power before you can go Super Saiyan - we just kind of assume it does.

And yeah, Krillin was part of the reason, he just wasn't as all-important to Goku's transformation as people seem to assume he is.

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#40163: Jun 12th 2016 at 7:34:07 AM

There were other factors, but I'd say Krillin was the biggest part.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#40164: Jun 12th 2016 at 7:35:13 AM

You can say that.

You'd be wrong though.

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#40165: Jun 12th 2016 at 7:54:38 AM

Krillin's death had the most focus of all three moments. Panel-by-panel:

Piccolo gets shot, he falls, he lands, Gohan says Piccolo's name, Gohan screams his name, Goku glares at Freeza.

Freeza sticks his hand out, Krillin floats in the air, he flies up, Goku yells his name, Goku begs Freeza to stop, Freeza laughs, Krillin yells for Goku, Krillin explodes, huge reaction panel of Goku looking at the explosion, reaction panel of Gohan, reaction panel of Freeza, bits of Krillin fall from the sky, Goku looks away, distraught.

Freeza asks if Gohan should go next.

Goku starts transforming.

Krillin's death BY FAR has more impact than either of the other two moments combined, just by virtue of how it's framed and how much time is devoted to it.

edited 12th Jun '16 7:55:44 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#40166: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:05:02 AM

On you. It has the most impact on you.

But to Goku? Goku didn't see the panels or the framing.

Goku just heard "Oh hey btw imma kill your kid now" and went "lolnope".

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#40167: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:11:03 AM

You're ingoring how the writer very clearly intended the scene to be portrayed, devoting a page and a half to Piccolo, mostly focusing of Gohan's reaction, 3 pages to Krillin, with heavy focus on Goku, and one panel on threatening Gohan, which nobody reacts to. Gohan getting threatened is so minor that it might as well not happened.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#40168: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:19:04 AM

...

I'm baffled that this is even an argument. Lets just agree to disagree. I really don't think it's something that needs to be debated.

There were three factors in triggering the transformation to Super Saiyan. We'll leave it at that.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#40169: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:24:41 AM

[up][up]It means more to you, and I don't know if you noticed, but you are not Goku.

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#40170: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:25:26 AM

You know what? No, this is something that's been bothering me. Just counting the reaction shots makes it more than apparent what the level of importance of each moment was.

Piccolo's injury: Gohan had 2 reaction shots, Goku had 1.

Krillin's death: Gohan had 1 reaction shot, Goku had 4.

Gohan getting threatened: No-one reacted. No-one cared. It didn't matter.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#40171: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:32:37 AM

What you see is not what the characters see. To us, Krillin's death was more meaningful than Freeza threatening to do the same to Gohan, so, naturally, that gets more panel time devoted to it and more of a big deal is made of it by the narrative.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#40172: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:35:17 AM

I love how this is an argument when the result is the same regardless; Goku goes Super Saiyan and kicks Freeza's ass; does it really matter who was the trigger? I can just cop out and say it was Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin and the result wouldn't change.

edited 12th Jun '16 8:36:04 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#40173: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:36:35 AM

Of course it does, we can't let PMC think that Krillin meaningfully affected the plot in any way, even if it's after he died. That would be terrible.

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#40174: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:40:01 AM

Krillin's death is the most impactful moment there because Krillin is Goku's best friend since childhood. Gohan getting threatened barely registers as even having happened.

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#40175: Jun 12th 2016 at 8:44:16 AM

The first thing Goku does to Freeza as a Super Saiyan is hold his arm in place while talking about how much he hates Freeza for killing good people like Krillin.


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