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#39901: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:54:50 AM

Well, yes. But the demon realm still exists, in the same way the 12 universe scheme didn't make alternate timelines nonexistent. It can still be mined for plot threads. That's the point I'm trying to make.

The demon world is a mirror of the Kai's world, so makai existing isn't just speculation, it's a given. That said, I don't think Demigra is a makai. I think he's a demon god. Makamisama. Just another God Job.

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#39902: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:46:49 AM

Never heard of these Makaioshin before, but I do like the idea of Black Goku being a fusion of Future Goku and a Makaioshin.

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#39903: Jun 8th 2016 at 4:00:54 AM

Thing is Black Goku doesn't have pointed ears and doesn't look like a fusion. He just looks like Goku with a dark grey outfit. The earring could be hinted that he is a god or will fuse with someone, but he doesn't look like a fusion.

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#39905: Jun 8th 2016 at 8:15:32 AM

Heh, he looks like a nerd.

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#39906: Jun 8th 2016 at 8:17:27 AM

And those 4 are basically every picture ever taken of Toriyama.

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#39907: Jun 8th 2016 at 11:02:54 AM

The man has mastered Instant Transmission.

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#39908: Jun 8th 2016 at 11:12:19 AM

Of course he did. He invented it, after all.

inb4 the final boss of Dragon Ball Super is the Toribot.

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#39909: Jun 8th 2016 at 11:13:27 AM

I still want a photo of Araki and Toriyama side by side.

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#39910: Jun 8th 2016 at 11:40:10 AM

Calling it now, wild mass guessthe Heart Virus that killed Future Goku is connected to Goku Black.wild mass guess

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#39911: Jun 8th 2016 at 11:43:50 AM

wild mass guessThe Heart Virus that killed Future Goku is Black Goku, and is in fact riding his corpse.wild mass guess

edited 8th Jun '16 11:44:07 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#39912: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:08:50 PM

...That would actually be really cool. Zombie Goku, revived and controlled by an alien virus.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39913: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:22:15 PM

This is a series about alien monkey-human hybrids, not random, spaceborn influenza. That would be ridiculous.

edited 8th Jun '16 12:48:28 PM by Soble

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#39914: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:27:49 PM

...The Heart Virus being from space is widely assumed anyways. It turning Goku into a zombie would be the weird part.

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#39915: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:29:08 PM

I always subscribed to the theory that the heart virus was something Goku unknowingly contracted on Yardrat (that planet he ended up on for a while after Namek), and that he was the source of the virus's spread on Earth.

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#39916: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:32:50 PM

I asked myself, "So then why didn't Chi-Chi contract it?"

I answered myself, "Because Goku's a bad husband."

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#39917: Jun 8th 2016 at 12:46:25 PM

The virus didn't want any of that shit.

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#39918: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:02:04 PM

Black Goku being Zombie Goku, resurrected by the space virus that killed him in the first place, is such a cool idea that I'll be a little disappointed if Black Goku doesn't turn out to be at least that awesome.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39919: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:13:22 PM

I've generally subscribed to the headcanon that, like with Buu in DBM, anything that tries to eat, consume, or otherwise absorb Goku becomes a peace-loving goof, or at least less focused on destruction.

Black Goku actually kind of unsettles me.

This could be a prime opportunity for Vegeta to save the day by kicking Goku's ass, though.

edited 8th Jun '16 2:01:43 PM by Soble

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#39920: Jun 8th 2016 at 1:57:34 PM

Oh god no. Super does enough Vegeta shilling as it is.

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#39921: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:14:00 PM

Why would absorbing Goku make you a peace loving goof? He's not a peace loving goof so where did those attributes come from?

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#39922: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:20:14 PM

Yeah....

  • Goku: Alright, Gohan, it's time to fight!
  • Gohan: But, it's peacetime.
  • Goku: Sure, but we should be fighting right now.
  • Gohan: Why would we be fighting? It's literally a time of peace.
  • Goku: Why would that matter?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#39923: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:28:30 PM

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Goku thinks about fighting sure, but he's a Big Good in Dragonball, almost always making antagonists nicer. Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta can attest to that.

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Also, what is it going to take Shlugo? Vegeta got knocked the fugg out here.

An episode where Bulma dumps Vegeta on the street and he spends the week homeless, doing push-ups and sit-ups in alleyways, on people's lawns, and rooftops for weeks before finally breaking down and apologizing for whatever he did? Is seeing Vegeta stuck in abject misery the only thing that will satisfy you?

Because I could honestly see Super doing a Homeless Vegeta filler arc of some sort.

edited 8th Jun '16 3:12:58 PM by Soble

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#39924: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:39:58 PM

Yeah, fighting isn't a malicious thing for Goku and he's certainly a goof.

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#39925: Jun 8th 2016 at 2:46:59 PM

Thinking out lout from the Big Good comment:

As was discussed on the wiki Discussion page when my trope audit reached this trope, Goku's really only the Big Good for the Cell and parts of Buu arc. The reason for this is that Big Good is basically the Good counterpart to the Greater-Scope Villain. It's a Greater Scope Hero, someone who embodies Good and is the ultimate force for Good, but who is kept mostly in the background of the story going on.

The only fights Goku actually wins in the Cell Saga are against his own allies. Proving himself to Trunks or sparring with Gohan. Aside from friendly matches, Goku only fights Android 19 and Perfect Cell, both of which he's forced to quit and let someone else take the field, and a Cell Jr. who outright wrecks him. He has very little direct involvement.

And yet, his presence is constantly felt throughout the entire arc. Dr. Gero built the Androids to kill him. Vegeta's here because he wants to prove that he's better than him. Even the inciting incident, Trunks's arrival, was brought on by Bulma's undying faith that everything would be better if Goku was around. And, in the end, Gohan is sent out to take Goku's mantle, which he succeeds in through some helpful guidance from the man. Everything revolves around Goku, but rather than being about Goku directly acting upon the conflict, it's instead moved by how Goku is reflected in the lives of the people whose lives have been influenced by his presence.

The entire arc is basically a tribute to who Goku is and how his life has impacted others. Appropriate for a story meant to be his final bow.

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