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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38751: May 10th 2016 at 5:31:01 PM

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#38752: May 10th 2016 at 5:55:15 PM

I stll prefer the villains from Pokemon from RGB to B&W doing it.

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#38753: May 10th 2016 at 8:07:11 PM

I have figured it out! Go means five and Ku means sky. Black is obviously an English loan word, black five skies. Obviously this indicates the next antagonist will be a group associated with nighttime.

Here are my picks.

Shamlim, god of dusk.

Summanus, god of nocturnal thunder.

Awilix, goddess of the moon.

Amatsu Mikaboshi, god of the polestar.

Kuk, uncreated god of darkness.

But of course if there is a Black Goku, logic suggests there would also be a Blue Goku for daylight.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38754: May 11th 2016 at 1:58:28 AM

Who'd win in a fight, Kid Buu or Super Buu?

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#38755: May 11th 2016 at 2:42:04 AM

Considering Super is stronger, smarter and won't be killed if the planet explodes... clearly him.

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#38756: May 11th 2016 at 4:00:36 AM

The problem with the Buu arc was, DESPITE Toriyama bringing in magic, the power scale was still the same formula. Minibosses are weaker and get taken out quickly to show off their strength, main villains are just way stronger until the heroes find some way to power up.

It didn't matter that Buu could regenerate. He was just plain stronger than everyone when he needed to be. It was played very much straight. Except for that whole Kid Buu stuff, which felt so rushed that people still get confused about how strong he's supposed to be.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#38757: May 11th 2016 at 5:19:11 AM

The Boo arc was never about quirky abilities substituting for strength. It was about how far the heroes had come and how little there was that could challenge them.

Even Boo couldn't keep up the arms race and basically had to resort to using their power against them (through absorption).

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#38758: May 11th 2016 at 12:16:20 PM

Kid Buu should be weaker than Super Buu, if I'm understanding Buu correctly.

I mean, Super Buu w/ Gohan Absorbed was way too strong for Goku to even consider fighting, yet he fought Kid Buu as a SSJ 3 more or less evenly for a little while.

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#38759: May 11th 2016 at 12:19:16 PM

Kid Buu was weaker, but he was much more reckless, which coupled with his ability to blow up planets made him more dangerous.

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#38760: May 11th 2016 at 12:23:12 PM

Yeah, Super Buu was willing to kill everyone on Earth, but not destroy everything since he was still subject to base desires like hunger.

Kid Buu's just like "Oh hey, a thing. I'm going to blow it up."

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#38761: May 11th 2016 at 12:28:52 PM

I think someone on here pointed out that Kid Buu was pretty much the only DBZ villain to go "eh fuck it, I'm blowin' it up" instead of bragging about how they had the power to blow it up.

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#38762: May 11th 2016 at 1:26:31 PM

Frieza did it too, he just held back too much power for fear of killing himself with the blast.

Nobody really just boasts about it. Vegeta and Cell tried, they were just overpowered by Goku and Gohan, respectively.

edited 11th May '16 1:27:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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#38763: May 11th 2016 at 1:27:16 PM

Freezer did that...it just took a while, then again to actual success in Revival of F.

edited 11th May '16 1:27:44 PM by randomness4

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#38764: May 11th 2016 at 1:28:05 PM

When Frieza ragequits, it's for keeps.

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#38765: May 11th 2016 at 2:19:53 PM

Kid Buu is definitely the second weakest Buu around. The weakest is Fat Buu after separation, but Fat Buu is stronger before.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#38766: May 11th 2016 at 2:51:34 PM

Considering Super is stronger, smarter and won't be killed if the planet explodes... clearly him.

How much stronger? Super Buu is just the result of Buu's evil half taking over the good half. The only change in power was the Fat Kaioshin, was it not?

And Kid Buu blew up the planet without a second thought.

I mean, Super Buu w/ Gohan Absorbed was way too strong for Goku to even consider fighting, yet he fought Kid Buu as a SSJ 3 more or less evenly for a little while.

Isn't Super Buu with Gohan a league above Super Buu, though? I'm talking about baseline Super Buu.

Goku was willing to fight Super Buu when Gotenks defused - even with Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo, Buu should've been marginally stronger. And yet Goku wasn't able to take Kid Buu using SS 3.

Kid Buu was weaker, but he was much more reckless, which coupled with his ability to blow up planets made him more dangerous.

Another factor.

Kid Buu is definitely the second weakest Buu around. The weakest is Fat Buu after separation, but Fat Buu is stronger before.

And Kid Buu wrecked Fat Buu, the bulk of their power went to him.

edited 11th May '16 2:52:01 PM by Soble

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#38767: May 11th 2016 at 3:31:55 PM

Goku could not have defeated Super Buu even before Super Buu absorbed anyone. He could've taken Fat Buu, yes, but he could not take Super Buu. Fat Kaioshin acted as a limiter on Fat Buu. Also, Goku could have killed Kid Buu if he had not forgotten about SSJ 3's limitations.

edited 11th May '16 3:32:29 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#38768: May 11th 2016 at 5:06:19 PM

Kid Buu was weaker, but he was much more reckless, which coupled with his ability to blow up planets made him more dangerous.

Which is completely untrue. It's an Informed Ability, because immediately after blowing up Earth he proceeds to fight Goku and Vegeta one-on-one without trying to blow up the Kaioshin planet. If he was really more dangerous than Super Boo, then he'd beat Goku and Vegeta because Super was impossible for them to beat. But he was weaker than Super Boo, and a lot smarter, which allowed them to fight him one-on-one and distract him while they prepared the Spirit Bomb. Danger level = 0. Super Boo would have just slaughtered them.

Being unpredictable through lack of reason does not make you more dangerous than someone who can actually plan. That's a fallacy I see pop up in fiction quite often and it annoys me because it reeks of anti-intellectualism. "The more you know, the more predictable you are" Utter bullshit.

How much stronger? Super Buu is just the result of Buu's evil half taking over the good half. The only change in power was the Fat Kaioshin, was it not?

Way stronger. Goku could fight evenly with "Kid" Boo, and at full power believes he could destroy him in one shot. Goku refused to fight Super Boo on any terms, because it wouldn't even be a fight. He'd just die. He was terrified of Super Boo, and it takes a vastly superior opponent to instill that kind of reaction in Goku.

Fat Kaioshin is not the only change. Pure Boo absorbed both the South Kaioshin (strongest of the Kaioshin) and the Dai Kaioshin (the fat one). The Dai Kaioshin is the only one that acted as a limiter, reducing Boo's strength. Evil Boo suppressed the Dai Kaioshin's influence, so he's got all of his power plus the Kaioshin's power.

And Kid Buu blew up the planet without a second thought.

Yes, but in a fight between two Boos this would do fuck all. If the weaker Boo can regenerate from it, so can the stronger Boo. Also note he only did this on Earth, and once he saw Super Saiyan 3 Goku he decided to fight it out instead. Instant planet destruction is not something he constantly tries to do.

Isn't Super Buu with Gohan a league above Super Buu, though? I'm talking about baseline Super Buu.

Goku was willing to fight Super Buu when Gotenks defused - even with Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo, Buu should've been marginally stronger. And yet Goku wasn't able to take Kid Buu using SS 3.

No he wasn't. That's a dubism - Goku originally says that Boo has been weakened enough for Gohan to beat him. Once Gohan is not an option, Goku is absolutely terrified of fighting Super Boo even without any absorptions and refused to leave Boo's innards unless Vegeta fused with him. He outright said he'd be killed by Super Boo.

Goku couldn't win with Super Saiyan 3 because of the energy drain. He was confident he would win without that, but was taken by surprise when it suddenly ate up all his energy.

[up] Also, to be fair to Goku, it wasn't that he forgot more-so that he didn't realize how big a difference using it in his living body would make. That's what he attributes to the sudden loss of power he experiences when he drops to his base form.

edited 11th May '16 5:07:05 PM by Saiga

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#38769: May 11th 2016 at 5:08:55 PM

Um...didn't Kid Buu blow up several more planets, before he finally managed to track down Goku and Vegeta.

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#38771: May 11th 2016 at 5:17:49 PM

No, I'm pretty sure the only part of that that is filler is the part involving the afterlife; plus, it's a reasonable assumption to make that Kid Buu would have just kept blowing shit up until Goku and Vegeta gave him a signal to lock onto. What, is he just going to float through space doing absolutely nothing before they do that?

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#38772: May 11th 2016 at 5:20:12 PM

No, it was filler.

We see the ENTIRE sequence in the manga: Boo reforms, looks around, feels the ki of Goku and Vegeta and teleports to him. There was absolutely no more planetary destruction in the manga.

The anime added the entire sequence of Boo not being able to find them and blowing up planets at random, and that Goku and Vegeta needed to power-up before he found them.

edited 11th May '16 5:21:31 PM by Saiga

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#38773: May 11th 2016 at 5:21:05 PM

See, was that filler, or was it padding, cause there's a fine line between the two.

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#38774: May 11th 2016 at 5:21:58 PM

It does not matter at all. The entire sequence was anime only.

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#38775: May 11th 2016 at 5:26:04 PM

And? Was it filler made by Toei, or was it something that Toriyama came up with, like Gregory and Yamcha the Baseball Player? Toriyama, and this might be wrong, seems to be one of the few mangaka who give the anime studio producing the adaptation material to work with; i.e., the entirety of Super to an extent. So you can't really say for sure if something was made-up entirely by Toei, like the Fake Namek stuff, or if Toriyama told them to throw it in there because he thought it would be cool.

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