Philistines. Best/Jackie Chun and Goku/Tien were great. And of course Goku/King Piccolo is what led to all the other major fights in the series. Amazing build up and atmosphere.
But yeah....Gohan vs. Cell was good. You also gotta love Vegeta vs. 18. It was the first real display of the Androids' power and it was so awesome to watch Vegeta's ego get destroyed.
Its not a very good reason.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I really liked the fight with Super Buu, the one that used that creepy carnival music. Always gave me chills.
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: If it hasn't already been speculated, Vegeta may be descended from the original Super Saiyan God, judging from the physical resemblance.
Yeah, there's no way of knowing if that's actually the original Super Saiyan God, one of the silhouettes that appears in that ritual is Vegeta in his Cell/BoG armour, and that one appears to be wearing Vegeta's Boo outfit. As the screenwriter is a massive Vegeta fanboy, it could just be something he put in. It's just weird.
I was actually just looking at the picture and noticed the hairstyle. They don't have a trivia section for it.
A Vegeta fan boy? Now this I've got to hear. This about the scene with Vegeta clocking Bills? Ha, that scene was great.
And on another note: an open question to all.
If you could change one thing (and I say that loosely) about the Dragonball storyline, what would you change?
Up to me, I would have made it so that Goku and Vegeta didn't attain Super Saiyan 2 off-screen; rather, Goku would be seen learning to alter his Super Saiyan form in Otherworld, creating, but not actually naming, "Super Saiyan 3". Vegeta, meanwhile, would be a tough-as-shit Ascended/Full Power Super Saiyan. SSJ 2 would remain as Gohan's distinct trait.
Kind of awkward to 'nerf' Vegeta due to the above comment, but I've always felt like his stature as a SSJ was his most important development, and the revelation that Goten and Trunks were SSJ's became an even deeper blow because of that. When Vegeta busted out SSJ 2-like electricity in his Majin form, and later when he fought Kid Buu I was like, "Awwh, when did that happen? That's Gohan's shtick!" Same with Goku, but Goku at least had something new to put on the table (SSJ 3). Besides, it's not really nerfing, I love moments where Vegeta pulls off incredible feats, like when Kid Buu shot him point-blank, or when he No-Sold Bills's punch. I'd focus on Vegeta subverting Can't Catch Up with pure determination.
So, that.
edited 24th Nov '13 8:41:36 AM by FOFD
Vegeta is the Kuwabara of Dragon Ball Z. You can beat him, blast him, impale him, a thousand times over and he gets right back up for more. It is incredibly f*cking hard to kill Vegeta. This was evident in both Goku, Krillin, and Gohan's battle with Vegeta, and also in Frieza's. It was evident in his throwdown with Kid Buu to stall for time. I can't remember if it came up in the Cell Saga - my memory of that arc is foggy at best - but the point is, Vegeta's strongest trait is his endurance. He refuses to die or even to stop getting back up for more punishment.
edited 24th Nov '13 8:37:52 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Freeza shot him in the heart, and he still kept talking for a few minutes, so I'd agree that Vegeta is not so easy to kill.
One Strip! One Strip!I would change the Buu Saga so that there is no final Genki Dama. Instead, after Gotenks defuses inside Buu, Dende doesn't heal Gohan in time. Goku comes in to fuse with Gohan, like normal, but Buutenks catches and crushes the earring before regressing into Buuccolo. Seeing no other choice, Goku opts to distract Buuccolo to give Dende time to get to and heal Gohan. A short fight ensues and Goku is easily and brutally beaten down and absorbed. But his distraction made it so that Dende had enough time to heal Gohan. Final battle in the series is Buuku vs Gohan.
Or, if I absolutely HAVE to keep the ending to the Buu Saga, I'd get rid of the Potara and instead have Goku and Vegeta form Gogeta to fight Buuhan. Gogeta goes Super Saiyan 3 and has a long epic fight with the mightiest Majin, which he eventually loses. Buuhan compliments him and goes to absorb him too. However, Gogeta has a plan B and uses the same energy shield that Vegetto did to avoid absorption. Then things go more or less how they did.
edited 24th Nov '13 3:03:22 PM by sockpuppet1
It might have been nice if Vegeta was able to stay on Namek while Goku fought Freeza. Then maybe both of them could have been heroes of that arc. It seems more karmic to me because of what Freeza did to Vegeta's father.
Also, at least give Gohan one more fight with Buu after all that time spent getting his power unlocked. Frankly, I thought Guru was supposed to unlock his power, but clearly... no.
FTFY.
My understanding: on Namek, Guru raised Gohan's power to his maximum potential. His power waned in the seven years between Cell and Buu due to a lack of training. Then Old Kai raised Gohan's power level to a point that greatly exceeds Gohan's physical limits.
So basically, Namek Gohan = 100% Gohan Power. Post Timeskip Gohan = 50% Gohan Power. Mystic Gohan = 200% Gohan Power.
I pulled those percentages out of my ass, I don't know the exact power levels, but you get the idea.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I would've... probably given Piccolo more to do. That, or just made it so the final fight against Buu was more of a team effort, and less of a "Hey, Vegeta, our kids dropped the ball, wanna go save the world?" "I guess." sort of deal.
The very best, like no one ever was. Check out my Spider-Man fanfic here! [1]I would have kept Gohan as the main character and have him be the one to kill Buu, and if the Kid Buu thing had to happen, then have Gohan survive to help Goku and Vegeta beat him down and destroy him. If the Spirit Bomb thing also had to happen, then have Goku teach it to him through telepathy and completely pass the torch down to him.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
You'd think he would've done that when they were training in the three years before the Androids. Heck, he could've taught Instant Transmission, Spirit Bomb, and Kaioken to Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, and definitely not Yamcha.
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Namek Gohan isn't anywhere near any version of Gohan who comes afterward, even ignoring the Super Saiyan forms.
This is partially a translation issue, the word that the English dub translates as "potential" is literally translated as "dormant power", which is power you have yet to realize. Goku had his dormant power drawn out by the Super God Water back in the Piccolo Daimao arc, and yet he got far stronger than then. Dormant power is not a hard limit to how strong you can become, it's at best a temporary limit. Guru unlocked Gohan's dormant powers, but by the Boo arc he's got a whole lot more in him which Old Kaioshin draws out. It's also possible that Guru didn't even draw out everything Gohan had at that point in the Namek arc, he never said anything to that effect.
To be fair, all three of those techniques are supposed to be really hard to learn, and Kaio wasn't even able to properly use the Kaio-ken himself.
If I could only make one change for the series, it'd be for Gohan to beat Boo. I think the Boo arc really goes downhill once Potara is introduced, so I'd have Gohan defeat Gotenks-Boo somehow. Although I like sockpuppet's idea as well.
And yeah, the screenwriter for Battle of Gods, Yusuke Watanabe, is a self-admitted big Vegeta fanboy. He calls him "Dragon Ball's unofficial star" and is the one who made Vegeta do so well against Beers.
edited 25th Nov '13 1:19:00 AM by Saiga
19 wasn't interesting in the slightest to me.
And his performance was just pathetic. Substandard model, Gero.
Roshi would kill for this man's secret.
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If I could change anything in Dragonball I wouldn't. I'd probably turn it into the Vegeta show.
edited 25th Nov '13 1:45:44 PM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."I recall a rumor that 19 and 20 were originally supposed to be the androids that Trunks was talking about, but a poor audience reception caused 17 and 18 to be introduced and the existence of 19 and 20 to be retconned into time travel wonkiness. I don't know how true that is, though, as there are a lot of rumors about what Dragon Ball was "supposed" to be.
If I could change anything about Dragon Ball, I would leave most of it exactly the same, but equalize the powers more and never introduce the "Power Levels" concept. Any change I would make would be more cosmetic than anything else, by simply getting rid of things like, "Everybody's moving so fast I can barely see them! There's so much power there!"
Equalizing the powers so that someone like Krillin would be able to fight someone like Kid Buu. He would get his ass horribly kicked, but there would still be more of a fight than "Gohan kills Frieza in one punch". Krillin can't win because Buu is a regenerating berserker who fights with an untold ferocity, instead of because Buu is so powerful that he can kill Krillin by blinking. This should come as no surprise to anyone who's heard me complain about the power discrepancies.
edited 25th Nov '13 2:30:26 PM by TobiasDrake
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Favorite fight? Goku vs Vegeta in the Saiyan and Buu Arcs. The only canon fight from Z I outright hate is Goku vs 19.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."