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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#38001: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:19:40 PM

That or Roshi just has a power level in the thousands now, because why not.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38002: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:21:52 PM

Max Power Buff Roshi would have to be much stronger than regular ol' 139 Roshi.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#38003: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:29:03 PM

Or he's just been training for the last 15 or so years in secret.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#38004: Apr 21st 2016 at 10:33:32 PM

He'd have to be in the thousands if he's able to fight off some of Frieza's forces.

While I don't believe the notion that he was always 75,000 PL, I would believe he got there eventually over the years through off-screen training.

He was in the 300's during the end of the Piccolo Jr saga IIRC, so that's like 23 years of off-screen training right there.

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#38005: Apr 22nd 2016 at 12:00:09 AM

@Tobias Drake: Except Yamcha can't take Jaco's spot. Jaco's the one who's part of the Galactic Patrol, which has come into play several times in the plot. It's not just about Jaco being pushed around by Bulma.

Really, Oolong was doing that before Yamcha anyway.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38006: Apr 22nd 2016 at 12:11:10 AM

Jaco didn't need to fight, he could've just sat there and watched like everyone else.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#38008: Apr 22nd 2016 at 1:30:37 AM

Didn't Akira Toriyama recently state that Master Roshi's power level can get to absurd degrees if Roshi wants it hard enough?

I guess he just wasn't feeling it when he sacrificed his life to attempt beating King Piccolo.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#38009: Apr 22nd 2016 at 1:46:49 AM

That is not at all what he said.

He said that Roshi's strength in the movie is what he could be if he put his mind to it. In otherwords, he is definitely stronger than his Saiyan arc recording but it just means he trained for it.

He's still clearly weaker than Ten and Kuririn, and them being strong in that movie doesn't mean they could have been that strong when Daimao was around.

Nothing about absurd power, anyway.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38011: Apr 22nd 2016 at 7:07:29 AM

So another Dr. Slump crossover then eh?

Well, lets see how it goes.

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#38013: Apr 22nd 2016 at 7:19:45 AM

@Tobias Drake: Except Yamcha can't take Jaco's spot. Jaco's the one who's part of the Galactic Patrol, which has come into play several times in the plot. It's not just about Jaco being pushed around by Bulma.

Do they come into play in this arc or the next? Because so far, the only relevance they've had to this arc is Jaco trying to take pictures to send to them which, like Bulma abusing him for refraining from fighting, has had no actual bearing on the story thus far and is just there so she can break his cameras. Bulma the Ultimate Megabitch is one of Toei's favorite jokes.

As of episode 25, they exist solely as a backstory element to provide motivation to a character who has no reason to even be involved in this arc at all.

The manga has Bulma and Jaco visiting Lord Zuno once the Universe Tournament picks up and that's something Yamcha couldn't have done, but I'm at a loss for what value Jaco contributes to this arc beyond being Bulma's punching bag, which could just as well have been Yamcha.

edited 22nd Apr '16 7:28:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38014: Apr 22nd 2016 at 7:33:12 AM

He can be more then he punching bag you know.

...He probably would have been just that, but still.

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#38015: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:08:34 AM

I agree both that he can be and that he probably wouldn't be. Like I said above, Jaco's role in this arc is unnecessary and kind of obnoxious, while also weirdly feeling like it's taking an unnecessary and kind of obnoxious role from Yamcha, who should be present for the same reason Tien is but was just sorta left out.

The characters included and excluded were basically decided by throwing darts at a board. Any argument you could make for why a character who isn't here shouldn't be, could also be made for a character who was included.

  • "Majin Buu's too powerful, it would remove the tension." So are Piccolo and Gohan.
  • "Android 18 wasn't part of the Namek arc." Neither was Kame-sennin.
  • "Yamcha's too weak, he would just get himself killed." So are Kame-sennin and Tien.
  • "Yamcha's retired from a life of fighting." So have Kame-sennin and Krillin.

edited 22nd Apr '16 8:10:12 AM by TobiasDrake

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#38016: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:13:26 AM

What about 'Yamcha doesn't want to get murdered cause it hurts, so he stays away'?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38017: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:20:18 AM

...

Actually, that's not so crazy. He did seem to lose his passion for fighting after the impalement incident. He kept joining in during the Android Cell saga, but I recall him saying to was there to lend support and didn't plan on fighting in the Cell games.

He's clearly lost his passion, and is only there for his friends. He'll help if he can, but would mostly just stay out of the way.

That being said, I still think he should have been in that fight. I guess Toriyama just doesn't care about him.

It was cool seeing Roshi back in action again. A nice reminder that he used to be more than a stupid old pervert.

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#38018: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:26:11 AM

What about 'Yamcha doesn't want to get murdered cause it hurts, so he stays away'?

Krillin and Jaco.

They actually spent an episode on Krillin freezing up in abject terror and needing a pep talk from Kame-sennin to regain his fighting nerve and start beating up Frieza Soldiers. Despite being more powerful than either Kame-sennin or Tien and having his willingness to involve himself on the front lines of planet-shattering events far beyond his ability as a recurring character trait for the entire course of the series all the way into the Buu arc.

Which is another role that was utterly ridiculous for Krillin but that Yamcha might have more comfortably fit into; in fact, I would argue that regaining his nerve to fight and taking out some Frieza Soldiers could be a triumphant moment for Yamcha after the way he bowed out in the Android arc, whereas it was just mind-numbingly stupid for Krillin.

edited 22nd Apr '16 8:27:22 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38019: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:29:41 AM

...

I don't think it's as stupid for Krillin as you do (he's gotten his ass kicked by quite possibly everything in the universe, and has been totally outmatched by everyone for a very long time), but I do agree it would have worked well for Yamcha.

I kinda hate that Toriyama wasted such an opportunity. Maybe if he put a little more effort into other characters sometimes, we could have had such a scene.

Of course, this only works if we know the average strength of a Frieza soldier, and Yamcha's own level. We know he doesn't really train anymore, so for all we know, he is weaker than those guys.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#38020: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:31:19 AM

See? Krillin embarrassed himself by freezing up while Yamcha didn't. Yamcha knew to stay out of it. Jaco tried to leave too but that jerk Bulma wouldn't let him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38021: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:33:42 AM

The whole Bulma won't let Jaco leave thing was really annoying too.

There was literally no point in her not letting him go, as his presence (especially in the Super version) served no purpose. It's basically her refusing to let him go so he can die with the rest of them.

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#38022: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:34:28 AM

Of course, this only works if we know the average strength of a Frieza soldier, and Yamcha's own level. We know he doesn't really train anymore, so for all we know, he is weaker than those guys.

If we're willing to make up some bullshit about Kame-sennin training in secret for 15 years, we can make up some bullshit about how Yamcha still hits the gym after he bowed out of fighting and has thus kept his power level relatively even.

The whole Bulma won't let Jaco leave thing was really annoying too.

There was literally no point in her not letting him go, as his presence (especially in the Super version) served no purpose. It's basically her refusing to let him go so he can die with the rest of them.

And smashing his cameras.

He's not allowed to stick around and do his job, but he's also not allowed to f*ck off either. Attempting to do either of these things results in violent abuse. His only reason for being here is because Ultimate Megabitch Bulma is one of Toei's favorite jokes.

edited 22nd Apr '16 8:35:50 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38023: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:36:33 AM

Alright. Fair enough.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#38024: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:43:29 AM

He said that Roshi's strength in the movie is what he could be if he put his mind to it. In otherwords, he is definitely stronger than his Saiyan arc recording but it just means he trained for it.

I don't recall it being said Roshi did training ever since then.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#38025: Apr 22nd 2016 at 8:57:53 AM

I don't think it's as stupid for Krillin as you do

It's a stupid change from how Krillin acted in the Resurrection of Freeza film, where he had no such issues getting the nerve to fight. It's purely a Super invention.


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